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RE: Evidence God Exists: Part II
June 20, 2010 at 11:08 pm
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Purple Rabbit Wrote:Religious believers...
- They wanna know NOW... Ironically, I think it is atheists who wanna know NOW. They need to have evidence of God NOW, or they won't believe, nevermind that God is faith-based and is described as a being full of mysteries which will be revealed later. Atheists need to have those mysteries solved right NOW, and need to understand everything right NOW, and have proof right NOW, or they'll deny the existence of God.
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RE: Evidence God Exists: Part II
June 21, 2010 at 12:16 am
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Quote:A lack of evidence for any particular theory being used as evidence itself against or, as evidence for a rival theory is very dangerous
How tactful. Are you British?
To be blunt; The argument ' absence of evidence is evidence of absence' is a common logical fallacy, 'argument from ignorance'. The agument is used regularly by ignorant apologists such as Angel and the rest of his shower. Sadly, it is also used regularly by ignorant atheists as an argument against the existence of God(s).
The difference in my experience is that the atheist will often accept his error and learn. The apologist seldom does, insisting in clinging to willful ignorance,unmoved by anything as prosaic as evidence or logic. 
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RE: Evidence God Exists: Part II
June 21, 2010 at 5:35 am
(June 20, 2010 at 11:08 pm)AngelThMan Wrote: Purple Rabbit Wrote:Religious believers...
- They wanna know NOW... Ironically, I think it is atheists who wanna know NOW. They need to have evidence of God NOW, or they won't believe, nevermind that God is faith-based and is described as a being full of mysteries which will be revealed later. Atheists need to have those mysteries solved right NOW, and need to understand everything right NOW, and have proof right NOW, or they'll deny the existence of God.
Errrmmmmm 
So what is wrong with that ange??
If I told you that I have money for you that will make you happy and that I owe you wouldn't YOU want it NOW?? 
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RE: Evidence God Exists: Part II
June 21, 2010 at 7:51 am
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(June 20, 2010 at 11:08 pm)AngelThMan Wrote: Purple Rabbit Wrote:Religious believers...
- They wanna know NOW... Ironically, I think it is atheists who wanna know NOW. They need to have evidence of God NOW, or they won't believe, nevermind that God is faith-based and is described as a being full of mysteries which will be revealed later. Atheists need to have those mysteries solved right NOW, and need to understand everything right NOW, and have proof right NOW, or they'll deny the existence of God.
You really don't understand atheism at all.
Atheists don't want evidence for god NOW, or indeed at any other time. We don't believe in god, and we don't need or want evidence for him- period.
The 'mysteries' of god that you refer to aren't mysteries that we are even slightly interested in. They're mysteries that we don't believe exist.
There are, of course, mysteries in the universe. These are scientific mysteries, and atheists generally are very interested in them (I know I am). They are mysteries that are solved incrementally, by patient observation and careful theorizing. God has no place whatsoever in the solutions to these mysteries.
You seem to be thinking that we atheists are somehow impatient would-be theists. We're nothing of the sort. We really don't believe in god, and we don't think that any of the arguments that theists put forward for his existence are remotely credible. Furthermore, there are strong arguments that point towards the whole concept of 'god' being incoherent, indicating that god not only doesn't exist but can't exist, even in theory.
Your 'argument from abiogenesis' is a case in point. Its completely mis-informed re. the actual science, and riddled with fallacies, many of which we've pointed out to you. In short, its intellectual garbage.
If you want to convince anyone here that your imaginary friend might exist, you're going to have to do an awful lot better than this.
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RE: Evidence God Exists: Part II
June 21, 2010 at 9:49 am
(June 20, 2010 at 11:08 pm)AngelThMan Wrote: Purple Rabbit Wrote:Religious believers...
- They wanna know NOW... Ironically, I think it is atheists who wanna know NOW. They need to have evidence of God NOW, or they won't believe, nevermind that God is faith-based and is described as a being full of mysteries which will be revealed later. Atheists need to have those mysteries solved right NOW, and need to understand everything right NOW, and have proof right NOW, or they'll deny the existence of God.
Yes, It's called knowledge.
As opposed to wishful thinking.
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RE: Evidence God Exists: Part II
June 21, 2010 at 10:20 am
(June 20, 2010 at 11:08 pm)AngelThMan Wrote: Ironically, I think it is atheists who wanna know NOW.
And when else are we supposed to ask for evidence? Next year? In ten years? Are we supposed to keep our mouths shut and just wait until... well... when?
Quote:They need to have evidence of God NOW, or they won't believe,
What if I told you that there was a family of invisible leprechauns living in a tree behind my house? Would you believe it? Wouldn't you ask to see some evidence of this claim NOW? What if I told you that you'll be able to see and interact with the leprechauns after you die? Would that satisfy you?
Quote:nevermind that God is faith-based and is described as a being full of mysteries which will be revealed later.
Translation: "We have no evidence that our deity is real, but you'll find out everything AFTER YOU DIE!"
Yeah.... sign me up.
Quote:Atheists need to have those mysteries solved right NOW, and need to understand everything right NOW, and have proof right NOW, or they'll deny the existence of God.
Skip the "mysteries" and "understanding everything". Just show us some "proof". If you can't, then there is no reason to think your deity is real. It's quite simple, really.
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RE: Evidence God Exists: Part II
June 21, 2010 at 12:08 pm
Quote:and have proof right NOW, or they'll deny the existence of God.
You clowns have had thousands of years to produce evidence ( not "proof", moron!) of your alleged god and have failed miserably.
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RE: Evidence God Exists: Part II
June 21, 2010 at 1:01 pm
(June 20, 2010 at 11:08 pm)AngelThMan Wrote: Ironically, I think it is atheists who wanna know NOW. They need to have evidence of God NOW, or they won't believe, nevermind that God is faith-based and is described as a being full of mysteries which will be revealed later. Atheists need to have those mysteries solved right NOW, and need to understand everything right NOW, and have proof right NOW, or they'll deny the existence of God. Hey, atheists are not the ones proposing the existence of gods, are they? So why should they need evidence for their existence. That doesn't make sense. Or about as much sense as you needing evidence for goblins, leprachauns, purple rabbits from the 26th dimension or subatomic little green man beating around electrons to deliver us electricty. Remember, the burden of proof is on the ones who claim existence of these beings "full of mysteries" that you like to delude yourself with. The ones who don't claim existence of these beings don't need proof to go on breathing. Yeah I know, the logic of reality really sucks.
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RE: Evidence God Exists: Part II
June 21, 2010 at 1:32 pm
(June 21, 2010 at 12:08 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Quote:and have proof right NOW, or they'll deny the existence of God.
You clowns have had thousands of years to produce evidence ( not "proof", moron!) of your alleged god and have failed miserably.
That's a bit harsh, as the two words are often used interchangeably in common talk. However, you're right. Technically, there is a difference, which is why it is fallacious to ask atheists to 'prove' God's non-existence. In fact, we needn't even provide evidence against it, as the stance, 'God probably doesn't exist' is the default position. Most atheists aren't absolute about the non-existence of any form of deity, though maybe about an all-loving, all-powerful, all-knowing god, which is somewhat contradictory and logically fraught.
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RE: Evidence God Exists: Part II
June 21, 2010 at 2:28 pm
I'm always harsh on him. Gave up on him months ago.[/i]
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