Posts: 951
Threads: 19
Joined: April 26, 2015
Reputation:
26
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist??
August 31, 2015 at 2:30 pm
(August 31, 2015 at 2:26 pm)robvalue Wrote: Can't they just have sex then go to confessional? Then it's all better.
Who has been harmed in that scenario?
We do expect some people not to act on certain urges they have, when those urges result in the harm of others, such as paedophiles. This is a false equivocation with homosexuality, which harms no one.
Bingo!
Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.' -Isaac Asimov-
Posts: 5466
Threads: 36
Joined: November 10, 2014
Reputation:
53
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist??
August 31, 2015 at 2:31 pm
I don't see why anyone should deny themselves anything, so long as:
1. It doesn't harm, or have the potential to harm, others.
2. Has the informed consent of all involved.
"I was thirsty for everything, but blood wasn't my style" - Live, "Voodoo Lady"
Posts: 951
Threads: 19
Joined: April 26, 2015
Reputation:
26
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist??
August 31, 2015 at 2:39 pm
(August 31, 2015 at 2:31 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: I don't see why anyone should deny themselves anything, so long as:
1. It doesn't harm, or have the potential to harm, others.
2. Has the informed consent of all involved.
Exactly. Gay people that don't harm anyone, can't have sex because of insanely moronic logic, but the punishment for pedophilia is, "let's cover it up, and move them to a different parish so they can do it again."
Repressing sexual urges is highly immoral no matter what orientation. This makes me so angry how people become so brainwashed by their primitive religion, and how they can think a natural act like sex, is immoral. It's ok when the many species of animals have sex outside of marriage, or have homosexual sex, but when humans do it, it becomes a highly immoral act all of the sudden. I can imagine if I was gay, how mad I'd be right now, this just pisses me off so much. People that think that's immoral, should be ashamed of themselves, and ashamed of their pure stupidity that they exhibit when they open their mouths against it.
Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.' -Isaac Asimov-
Posts: 3541
Threads: 0
Joined: January 20, 2015
Reputation:
35
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist??
August 31, 2015 at 2:42 pm
(This post was last modified: August 31, 2015 at 2:54 pm by Homeless Nutter.)
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one." - George Bernard Shaw
Posts: 5466
Threads: 36
Joined: November 10, 2014
Reputation:
53
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist??
August 31, 2015 at 2:46 pm
I should note, that the typical responses like "but what about potentially contracting a STD? Isn't that harm?" isn't really a rebuttal because of reason #2. If you're consenting to sex, you're consenting to the potential risk it presents. That's why, I, personally, wouldn't shack up with someone I just met. But, I'm not going to judge what another does with their body. If you don't have ownership of your own body, what do you have ownership of?
"I was thirsty for everything, but blood wasn't my style" - Live, "Voodoo Lady"
Posts: 951
Threads: 19
Joined: April 26, 2015
Reputation:
26
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist??
August 31, 2015 at 2:53 pm
(This post was last modified: August 31, 2015 at 3:02 pm by Salacious B. Crumb.)
(August 31, 2015 at 2:46 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: I should note, that the typical responses like "but what about potentially contracting a STD? Isn't that harm?" isn't really a rebuttal because of reason #2. If you're consenting to sex, you're consenting to the potential risk it presents. That's why, I, personally, wouldn't shack up with someone I just met. But, I'm not going to judge what another does with their body. If you don't have ownership of your own body, what do you have ownership of?
Exactly. I don't think I'd shack up with someone I didn't trust or know either. It's immoral not to tell someone that you will engage in sex with while having an STD, and not tell that person first. If the sex is consenting between adults, whatever the kind of sex that it is, how is that immoral?
What's the difference between making someone wear a veil around her face in public because of religion, and suppressing natural sexual urges?
Christians think that's immoral, but can't seem to grasp how the other is immoral. Religion suppresses people's freedoms and natural instincts through guilt and fear. Any religion that does that, is immoral as fuck. It blows my mind how people can stand by something so immoral, and defend it against all logic and reason, because their mommy and daddy tells them that it's the word of god. Wake the hell up already!
Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.' -Isaac Asimov-
Posts: 1384
Threads: 6
Joined: June 30, 2015
Reputation:
39
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist??
August 31, 2015 at 3:22 pm
Posts: 23917
Threads: 300
Joined: June 25, 2011
Reputation:
150
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist??
August 31, 2015 at 3:41 pm
(August 31, 2015 at 1:05 pm)abaris Wrote: (August 31, 2015 at 1:01 pm)Neimenovic Wrote: I already have people who bug me on ignore.
I only have one person on ignore. He's no theist and only an occasional poster. But for me he's the embodyment of an ignorant presumptuous idiot.
Otherwise I take what's dished out. If I don't feel like reading posts of a certain member at a certain time, I just skip over them.
Oh do tell, who is it?
Posts: 23917
Threads: 300
Joined: June 25, 2011
Reputation:
150
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist??
August 31, 2015 at 3:47 pm
(August 31, 2015 at 2:27 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (August 31, 2015 at 1:55 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: What cases are those?
Pretty much anything that is illegal or legal but not socially acceptable but would require someone to refrain from acting on deep seeded desires/parts of themselves.
I am reluctant to give examples because then people will just be like "omg, you're comparing ____ to homosexual sex!" Which is not what I'm doing at all. I'm merely pointing out that there are instances where all of us, as a society, believe a person should deny huge parts of themselves. Not that the behaviors themselves are similar in any way. But Esq made it sound like it's wrong in general to believe a person should ever do this, so I wanted clarification.
But if you think there is a class of people who are not deserving of fulfillment in this life because of a basic flaw in their make up .. that does sound pretty bigoted to me. I'm quite sure you'd still donate a kidney to them if your gay friend asked but it still seems like a pretty qualified sort of acceptance.
Posts: 15452
Threads: 147
Joined: June 15, 2015
Reputation:
87
RE: Anti gay-marriage atheist??
August 31, 2015 at 3:54 pm
(August 31, 2015 at 2:26 pm)robvalue Wrote: Can't they just have sex then go to confessional? Then it's all better. People sin all the time, it's designed to be unavoidable. Why is this any different?
Who has been harmed in that scenario?
We do expect some people not to act on certain urges they have, when those urges result in the harm of others, such as paedophiles. This is a false equivocation with homosexuality, which harms no one.
You are correct, it is not any different at all. Confession doesn't work unless you're truly sorry though, and that counts for everything as well.
I agree it's a false equivocation.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh
|
