Atheist and the Death penalty

[Handprint]

What does give me pause about the Death Penality is this: that there are people who are up for the death penalty that have been found to be innocent, mostly through the work of The Innocence Project. So, I would support that The Innocence Project work with every person on death row prior to execution, to ensure that nothing has been overlooked for them.

Putting innocent people to death is not good.

[Longhorn]

And that makes it ok to kill them?

Yes. 

Is it okay to disagree with you?

Am I intimating otherwise? I'm trying to have a conversation. If you want me to fuck off, say so.

So you would feel totally justified killing a person you thought deserved to die?

I mean, I think Pat Robertson deserves to have his car stolen, to say the least. But I don't think it's ok to steal his car, and I would still condemn someone who did it.

We're talking about institutionalizing murder here. You know, fucking killing people. I think that's barbaric.

[Minimalist]

But surely a bullet to the head or the guillotine would be just as effective and a lot cheaper?

It isn't the method that makes it expensive.  It's the appeals process.

[Longhorn]

What does give me pause about the Death Penality is this: that there are people who are up for the death penalty that have been found to be innocent, mostly through the work of The Innocence Project. So, I would support that The Innocence Project work with every person on death row prior to execution, to ensure that nothing has been overlooked for them.

Putting innocent people to death is not good.

But it will inevitably happen, even with projects like that, which can't possibly ensure 100% efficiency, or work with all the convicted everywhere. At least one innocent will be wrongly executed.

[Handprint]

Yes. 

Is it okay to disagree with you?

Am I intimating otherwise? I'm trying to have a conversation. If you want me to fuck off, say so.

So you would feel totally justified killing a person you thought deserved to die?

I mean, I think Pat Robertson deserves to have his car stolen, to say the least. But I don't think it's ok to steal his car, and I would still condemn someone who did it.

We're talking about institutionalizing murder here. You know, fucking killing people. I think that's barbaric.

It honestly doesn't feel like a conversastion with you. I would like you to back off yes. It seems like you are opposing me just because you dislike the death penality, rather than bringing arguments to the table that might give me pause or rethink my stance, or that explain why you feel as you feel other than to state in moralistic terms that it is "barbaric".  

Hell *I* had to bring up an argument that brought *me* pause instead of you doing that for me.

And yes, for the 2nd or perhaps 3rd time I would feel justified in killing a person who committed murder. 

Why do I keep having to say that? Yes. I support the death penalty. Yes, I think certain crimes should have the death penality as a punishment.

I'm sorry my answer isn't good enough for you and I have to repeat myself ad nauseum.

Back off.

[Longhorn]

K. No need to get worked up, mate c:

[Handprint]

K. No need to get worked up, mate c:

On the contrary, there was every reason in the world to get annoyed.

[Thumpalumpacus]

It's okay for them to die, and I think they should die, period.

You guys are speaking in abstract concepts here. As in, the abstract concept of the death penalty as an institution, while I am thinking in specifics. Of how these murderers treated their victims and their psychology in terms of how they view other people generally and are repeat offenders that only dole out suffering to their victim's families and their community at large. Or their murders were so egregious and horrible, that they obtained the death penalty as a sentence.

They deserve death.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grim_Sleeper

Perhaps when you can fashion a system which does not kill innocent people, you might make some good sledding. But until then, your points above are simply an appeal to emotion bereft of any sound reasoning supporting your position.

[Bad Wolf]

Everyone seems to be asking why it is justifiable to execute some criminals, can anyone answer why not? Is human life sacred or is the risk of killing an innocent person too high?

[Minimalist]

Risk?

It is not a bug in the system, it's a feature.

http://camerontoddwillingham.com/

The Washington Post reports in “Fresh Doubts Over a Texas Execution” about new information on how a jailhouse snitch lied to help prosecutors convict Todd Willingham.

Eight years after Cameron Todd Willingham was executed for setting a fire that killed his three children, in a case now widely faulted for its use of flawed arson science, his relatives are seeking a posthumous pardon from state officials.