Phony Religious Fuckwits Lose In Court

[Minimalist]

It's hilarious how levelling the playing field is seen as persecution.

 The age of reason is coming and it has no problem throwing Jesus into the same pile as all other versions of nonsense.

The age of reason and enlightenment. It influenced the French revolution and ushered in the Reign of Terror. The enlightened  authority didn't take well to being disagreed with. So they persecuted and put to death thousands of citizens they took issue with, and many, merely on just suspicion. Better than 16,000 of those were put to death by the guillotine, and another 25,000 were executed by other means across France. Yeah, funny how we see this as the first steps to a wider elimination of religious liberty and free speech by you so-called enlightened ones.

Payback for 9 centuries of feudal criminality and church acquiescence, you dumb fuck.  Really there are times when you seem to work overtime to cultivate stupidity.

[A Theist]

I merely mentioned a historical fact, that so called enlightened ones don't tolerate disagreement. Even to the point  of persecution in many forms. I think where this particular law is concerned, gay marriage being contrary to the moral conscience of people of faith, Christians and other religions who are also opposed to this should be exempt from participation to preserve the right of protection under the Constitution to free speech and religious liberty.

As I understand it, your own courts have decided that same sex marriage is now one of those Constitutionally protected rights you seem so concerned with.  But no one is asking Christians to participate in gay marriage, though, just as no one is asking atheists to attend religious services.  You're merely being asked to not get in the way of other people exercising their rights.

As for 'contrary to the moral conscience of people of faith', so what?  In secular societies law trumps faith, every time (in fact, this is what makes them secular societies in the first place).  If you object to gay people being married, then simply make sure you don't marry a gay person.  I object to baptisms, so I never attend one.

See how easy it can be?

Boru

Our Constitution also guarantees the right to free speech and religious liberty but you're intent to get in the way of that right.

I'm not talking about attending gay weddings. I object to people of faith,...(such as county clerks issuing marriage licenses, judges performing marriages, business owners such as bakers and photographers, etc, who have religious objections to gay marriage),...being forced to recognize same sex marriages contrary to their religious and moral convictions and should be exempt from forced participation in this particular law.

I believe I saw somewhere that North Carolina and Utah have passed laws which exempts county employees who have religious objections to same sex marriage from issuing marriage licenses to gay couples. Other States legislatures are considering similar actions.

[Longhorn]

Or they could keep it in their pants and do their fucking job.

I bet you'd be rallying behind a muslim clerk's right to deny you a wedding license as well.

[A Theist]

Or they could keep it in their pants and do their fucking job.

I bet you'd be rallying behind a muslim clerk's right to deny you a wedding license as well.

I'd go to another clerk or county who would issue the marriage license.

[Longhorn]

And there are no clerks within a ~300 mile radius who are wiling to give you a license. Tough shit eh?

So you would also rally behind an old school Mormon clerk's right to not issue marriage licenses to black people, citing religious reasons?

How far are you willing to go with this? What wouldn't be acceptable citing 'religious reasons'- which can be basically anything depending on the faith?

[abaris]

I object to people of faith,...(such as county clerks issuing marriage licenses, judges performing marriages, business owners such as bakers and photographers, etc, who have religious objections to gay marriage),...being forced to recognize same sex marriages contrary to their religious and moral convictions and should be exempt from forced participation in this particular law.

Well, as far as I understand it, business owners, bakers or photographers have every right to be bigots. If they're ruining their business in the process, it's also their business.

Clerks and judges on the other hand are in a bit of a predicament. Obeying the law kind of comes with the job description. If that interfers with their dearly held religious believes, tough. Time to move on and find another job.

[IATIA]

I merely mentioned a historical fact, that so called enlightened ones don't tolerate disagreement. Even to the point  of persecution in many forms.

Unlike the christians, of course, during the Crusades and the Inquisition.

[*Deidre*]

What utter irrelevance and false equivocation. You're the first person to mention guillotines.

So you think it's OK to break the law if you cite any old religious reason, yes? Is that your stance?

I merely mentioned a historical fact, that so called enlightened ones don't tolerate disagreement. Even to the point  of persecution in many forms. I think where this particular law is concerned, gay marriage being contrary to the moral conscience of people of faith, Christians and other religions who are also opposed to this should be exempt from participation to preserve the right of protection under the Constitution to free speech and religious liberty.

So, where does 'bigotry' fall in the scale of 'moral conscience?' 

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

I believe I saw somewhere that North Carolina and Utah have passed laws which exempts county employees who have religious objections to same sex marriage from issuing marriage licenses to gay couples. Other States legislatures are considering similar actions.

If recent events are any guide, you can expect these laws to have the same life expectancy as a glass hammer.

Boru