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RE: Sincerely honest question
September 7, 2015 at 6:25 pm
(September 7, 2015 at 6:14 pm)Spooky Wrote: I've not been here too long. But that said, I've not seen a shred of evidence towards anybody converting. And ol' Rando once claimed success, but lack of evidence isn't new there.
Dunno
There are thousands and thousands of users on this forum. I would imagine at some point people switch sides, on both ends. Maybe it's not something you would witness unfold in a thread. My guess is that it's something that goes down through the PM system. Again, I'm just guessing.
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RE: Sincerely honest question
September 7, 2015 at 6:43 pm
Spooky - Off-topic, so sorry 'bout that, but I wanted to say that "Religious Views: Chaotic Neutral" = hilarious!!
Godschild - The same could be said of any message, that a person is "more likely to believe" if they are already receptive to the idea. Half of the marketing companies (and their campaigns) on the planet are centered around the idea of making humans psychologically more receptive to what you're selling, be it products or politics.
It has been my experience that, unless a person is raised in a religious environment before their brains develop enough to resist (as much as any human can) indoctrination, even if that religion is not the one they wind up converting to as an adult, they tend to recoil in horror what most religions teach. For those of us who have been through the process of breaking away from childhood indoctrination, the difference between the Believer's and Skeptic's mindset is as clear as black-and-white. As others have responded, I don't know any examples of people becoming Christians (or other religions of a "Revealed Truth" nature) once they have learned what Sagan called the "baloney detector kit" way of thinking. There are those who claim to be ex-atheists, usually for the purpose of selling books/CDs/DVDs to Believers, but if you look more closely at their claims, they are usually just "lapsed" Believers who reverted to their old indoctrination after a period of "justdontgiveafuckism".
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
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RE: Sincerely honest question
September 7, 2015 at 8:17 pm
(September 7, 2015 at 2:27 pm)Thena323 Wrote: (September 7, 2015 at 1:34 pm)Godschild Wrote: A persons receptiveness is due to their own desire to know, most people are not going to consider salvation unless they see it might be a good thing and no one is going to make a decision for salvation without the convection of the Holy Spirit (calling of the Father). If pushed to say who would be more receptive I would say those who had been previously exposed to religion, however I'm not privy to all of what God does or can do.
GC I was thinking that may be the case, at least to some degree, while acknowledging that there are several other factors involved.
My question was never meant get to pigeonhole anyone. I'm just interested in hearing theistic opinions/perspectives on the matter. Thanks for responding.
Yes there's more to all this than my simple explanation, any time you have questions or curiosity about things just let me know and I'll try to answer.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Sincerely honest question
September 7, 2015 at 8:26 pm
(September 7, 2015 at 6:43 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: Godschild - The same could be said of any message, that a person is "more likely to believe" if they are already receptive to the idea. Half of the marketing companies (and their campaigns) on the planet are centered around the idea of making humans psychologically more receptive to what you're selling, be it products or politics.
Christians do not sell a product or politics as far as salvation is concerned and no one can be saved until the Holy Spirit convicts someone they need salvation, Yes there have been many atheist, who have never entered a church before becoming curious about Christianity, that have been saved.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Sincerely honest question
September 7, 2015 at 9:12 pm
(September 7, 2015 at 6:25 pm)Thena323 Wrote: There are thousands and thousands of users on this forum.
Say what?
Another count might be in order, maybe.
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RE: Sincerely honest question
September 7, 2015 at 9:21 pm
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(September 7, 2015 at 9:12 pm)abaris Wrote: (September 7, 2015 at 6:25 pm)Thena323 Wrote: There are thousands and thousands of users on this forum.
Say what?
Another count might be in order, maybe.
If my count is right, 8,362 including banned and inactive members.
Looks like I was off by 1
https://atheistforums.org/stats.php
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RE: Sincerely honest question
September 7, 2015 at 9:30 pm
(September 7, 2015 at 9:21 pm)Losty Wrote: If my count is right, 8,362 including banned and inactive members.
How many actually posting?
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RE: Sincerely honest question
September 7, 2015 at 9:32 pm
(September 7, 2015 at 9:30 pm)abaris Wrote: (September 7, 2015 at 9:21 pm)Losty Wrote: If my count is right, 8,362 including banned and inactive members.
How many actually posting?
About 4,776 have made at least one post.
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RE: Sincerely honest question
September 7, 2015 at 9:33 pm
(September 7, 2015 at 9:32 pm)Losty Wrote: About 4,776 have made at least one post.
Yes, but that's not how reality looks like, does it?
There aren't thousands of active members. Hundreds maybe. But that's a generous estimate.
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RE: Sincerely honest question
September 7, 2015 at 9:37 pm
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(September 7, 2015 at 9:33 pm)abaris Wrote: (September 7, 2015 at 9:32 pm)Losty Wrote: About 4,776 have made at least one post.
Yes, but that's not how reality looks like, does it?
There aren't thousands of active members. Hundreds maybe. But that's a generous estimate.
I don't really have the time to try to figure out how many "active" posters there are but I would say hundreds not thousands. There may be somewhere on the site that tells how many were active in the last month, but it would likely still include people who only made one post.
"The most users online at one time was 326 on 2nd June 2013 at 08:07"
67 people online in the last 15 minutes.
That's the best stats I can find. I think we probably have a couple hundred who are fairly active right now.
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