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Why Christianity violates the unity of God.
September 9, 2015 at 12:17 am
Believers in God including Christian believe God is great to the extent, it's not possible to be greater. They believe greatness, goodness, beauty, honor, love, exist in absolute sense. But this makes sense only if we see God as One indivisible reality. In fact, saying he can a trinity or divisions can exist within himself, or that he can have aspects, would open room for other gods to exist with him. What makes fifty gods the same as God's greatness, belittle his greatness in what way? If he can have trinity and be one, why can't there be infinite amount of absolute gods. The reason is simple. It lies in the emphasized name "The life/the living/the existence/the existing". The absolute great is such that all life is his and such that nothing could exist "with" the absolute life, but it's one, and not multiple. Had God has many aspects or parts, each aspect or part would not be absolute life and ultimate reality, and hence he would be formed of non-absolute attributes. But he is such that his names described himself, and his attributes are all about one perfect absolute essence and reality and sheer existence, and are not describing divisions.
Had this not been the case, and absolute existence can be formed of aspects, divisions or parts, then by logic, how does saying another god exists with God violate his greatness? If he can have a son, he can infinite sons. If he can be begotten, then there can be infinite dependent gods.
It's for this reason Suratal Ikhlaas/Tawheed starts with:
With/through/by the name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful, say God is One/single.
Here it means God is sheer existence. It then follows he neither begets nor is begotten, because such beings would be dependent on God while God is independent (Samad).
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RE: Why Christianity violates the unity of God.
September 10, 2015 at 10:00 am
Ah.. no? (I didn't follow everything that you were on about.)
In short God is a title not a specific deity's name.
Two God 'greatness' is not elevated to a absolute standard which he is found to be the complete embodiment of the given attributes you listed.
No, God himself Describes Himself as the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and end to all things. What this means is God is not judged to a given standard otherwise that standard would be the absolute authority on that given quality. No, Being the Alpha and Omega means those standards are defined by His attributes.
For example God is Benevolent to His own. Can one imagine a benevolence greater than what God is willing to share, yes. The doctrine of Omni benevolence displays such qualities. But the bible in no way says God is Omni benevolent. So then what shall we say? God is not benevolent because we can imagine a level of benevolence above what God is willing to offer? No. Why? Because again God's will defines what those attributes should mean, God in no way should be constructed or made to fit how we define a work or word. If this were the case God would cease being God and therefore be just another creation of man. That is why when so many of you 'test' God or rather your version of him you get no response. We are all guilty of creating our own personal versions of God. If however our version is too corrupt God will not support or endorse your understanding of Him. He will send the winds and rain/trials of life to knock down your corrupt view so you have a chance to rebuild (Ask/Seek/Knock) something better.
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RE: Why Christianity violates the unity of God.
September 10, 2015 at 10:02 am
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RE: Why Christianity violates the unity of God.
September 10, 2015 at 10:05 am
(September 10, 2015 at 10:02 am)LastPoet Wrote: 
I'd rather watch Twilight.
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RE: Why Christianity violates the unity of God.
September 10, 2015 at 10:09 am
(September 10, 2015 at 10:05 am)Napoléon Wrote: (September 10, 2015 at 10:02 am)LastPoet Wrote: 
I'd rather watch Twilight.
Yes, your pinkyness says so. No need to point it out.
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RE: Why Christianity violates the unity of God.
September 10, 2015 at 10:09 am
(September 10, 2015 at 10:05 am)Napoléon Wrote: (September 10, 2015 at 10:02 am)LastPoet Wrote: 
I'd rather watch Twilight.
But this is still a better love story...
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RE: Why Christianity violates the unity of God.
September 10, 2015 at 10:11 am
By selecting Muhammad, praise be upon him, above all other people, Allah has come close to violating His own unity, if not actually doing so.
Allah perhaps would have been better served (by Himself) had He revealed to ALL those He wished as followers of Himself as to precisely what is He wanted as in regards to worship, praise, fealty, obedience servitude, etc.
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RE: Why Christianity violates the unity of God.
September 10, 2015 at 10:15 am
Who said there was only one God?
Even if you found one, how exactly are you going to prove there aren't any others somewhere?
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RE: Why Christianity violates the unity of God.
September 10, 2015 at 10:17 am
Praise BANEEMY !!!!
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RE: Why Christianity violates the unity of God.
September 10, 2015 at 7:00 pm
(September 9, 2015 at 12:17 am)MysticKnight Wrote: Believers in God including Christian believe God is great to the extent, it's not possible to be greater. They believe greatness, goodness, beauty, honor, love, exist in absolute sense. But this makes sense only if we see God as One indivisible reality. In fact, saying he can a trinity or divisions can exist within himself, or that he can have aspects, would open room for other gods to exist with him. What makes fifty gods the same as God's greatness, belittle his greatness in what way? If he can have trinity and be one, why can't there be infinite amount of absolute gods. The reason is simple. It lies in the emphasized name "The life/the living/the existence/the existing". The absolute great is such that all life is his and such that nothing could exist "with" the absolute life, but it's one, and not multiple. Had God has many aspects or parts, each aspect or part would not be absolute life and ultimate reality, and hence he would be formed of non-absolute attributes. But he is such that his names described himself, and his attributes are all about one perfect absolute essence and reality and sheer existence, and are not describing divisions.
Had this not been the case, and absolute existence can be formed of aspects, divisions or parts, then by logic, how does saying another god exists with God violate his greatness? If he can have a son, he can infinite sons. If he can be begotten, then there can be infinite dependent gods.
It's for this reason Suratal Ikhlaas/Tawheed starts with:
With/through/by the name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful, say God is One/single.
Here it means God is sheer existence. It then follows he neither begets nor is begotten, because such beings would be dependent on God while God is independent (Samad). If God (or Allah) is real why don't the creeps show up and prove their existence to humanity? The reason why they don't do that is because they are imaginary entities created by nutty religious con men to control the herd of dummies.
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