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Ontario Sex Ed Curriculum Uproar
#31
RE: Ontario Sex Ed Curriculum Uproar
(September 10, 2015 at 12:02 am)vorlon13 Wrote: Imagine me in charge of coming up with an instructional class for young people.

Panic

And the other side of the coin:

what, pray tell, would have been appropriate and useful for me to have attended in school ??


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#32
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Thank you, Divinity, for being so candid! That's a really amazing story. Have you ever thought about trying to get it published?
Nolite te bastardes carborundorum.
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#33
RE: Ontario Sex Ed Curriculum Uproar
(September 10, 2015 at 3:45 pm)vorlon13 Wrote:
(September 10, 2015 at 12:02 am)vorlon13 Wrote: Imagine me in charge of coming up with an instructional class for young people.

Panic

And the other side of the coin:

what, pray tell, would have been appropriate and useful for me to have attended in school ??


Confused Fall


Understanding physical anatomy and the ways in which diseases could be spread are still useful to you, are they not?  Nor is understanding consent a bad thing or useless (unless you only do things by yourself).  The fact that some things that one may learn may not prove overly useful does not mean that the majority of it must be useless.  Plus, it may turn out to help you in your interactions with others if you understand the sorts of things that they might be up to.  So I think a good, general, sex education is good for everyone.  And one will then have a starting point for doing further research on one's own, if whatever was discussed was not in-depth enough regarding your specific interests.

"A wise man ... proportions his belief to the evidence."
— David Hume, An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding, Section X, Part I.
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#34
RE: Ontario Sex Ed Curriculum Uproar
Good answer, but gaping safety tips would have been damn useful too.
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#36
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(September 10, 2015 at 11:53 am)Pyrrho Wrote: That still does not really explain it.  I was taught the concept of "the World versus Christians" also.  My mother did not tightly control the TV we watched, but she did control it some.  Of course, TV was pretty tame the many years ago when I was young, but she still would not let us watch whatever we wanted.

As for the church's teachings, what church teaches sex education?  They often tell you not to have sex before marriage, and not to have homosexual sex ever, but they do not usually teach about venereal diseases and so forth.  Did yours?  My mother had no objection to me learning about all of the diseases and how one could get them.  And about the fact that sex can lead to pregnancy, and she did not want me to believe any of the nonsense that I was shocked to learn other people believed (e.g., "you can't get pregnant the first time you have sex" and other such ridiculous drivel; I was amazed to learn from my sex ed class in school that people actually believed that).

Did your mother want you to be unaware of the venereal diseases that you could get having sex?  Did she want you to believe nonsense, like that you cannot get a girl pregnant the first time you have sex?  Or did she teach you these things herself?

Actually, my mother did teach me about it, when I was ten. At least, to a degree. She read through a book from Focus on the Family that explained about Godly marriage, etc., and the various issues from a "Christian perspective". She skipped the 2/3rds of a page in which the author actually describes how sex works, but she did give me the book to read again for myself. Since I had gotten a full set of encyclopedias for my 8th birthday, which came two per month for a year, I already knew the mechanics of it. Nevertheless, I found out a year after getting the FotF book, when I went to the library to read real books about human sexuality, that not much had been included in my religious guide to the subject, other than a lot of moralizing and "traditional values" stuff.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost

I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.

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RE: Ontario Sex Ed Curriculum Uproar
(September 10, 2015 at 3:51 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: Thank you, Divinity, for being so candid! That's a really amazing story. Have you ever thought about trying to get it published?

Too many details I'd have to leave out.  My sister's job wasn't exactly legal (my mother's definitely wasn't).  I wouldn't want my kids being in the spotlight either.  Especially since most of them are married (all of them will be as of next month) and most of them have kids of their own.  I'm sure it'd make a fucking good story though.
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#38
RE: Ontario Sex Ed Curriculum Uproar
(September 10, 2015 at 4:08 pm)Divinity Wrote:
(September 10, 2015 at 3:51 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: Thank you, Divinity, for being so candid! That's a really amazing story. Have you ever thought about trying to get it published?

Too many details I'd have to leave out.  My sister's job wasn't exactly legal (my mother's definitely wasn't).  I wouldn't want my kids being in the spotlight either.  Especially since most of them are married (all of them will be as of next month) and most of them have kids of their own.  I'm sure it'd make a fucking good story though.

Dude! Write it as fiction, and you wouldn't have to out anyone Smile
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#39
RE: Ontario Sex Ed Curriculum Uproar
(September 10, 2015 at 3:58 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: Good answer, but gaping safety tips would have been damn useful too.

I don't know what that means (and I don't think I want to know; I am at my computer and I know how to search the internet), but not everything that one might want to know is going to be covered in school.  And it cannot be tailored to fit every individual, so things need to be covered that will be relevant to most people, and point to how to find more information about one's specific interests.

One of the useful things that one can learn from writing a research paper in school is that one learns how to do research.  Usually, the specific topic of the paper is of less value than that.  There are many things in school of a like nature.  For example, reading teaches one how to read.  But one does not necessarily read the very best writings in order to learn how to read.  But one can then read them.

"A wise man ... proportions his belief to the evidence."
— David Hume, An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding, Section X, Part I.
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#40
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Wonder how the Mayas did it ?

(They used hallucinogenic enemas. I'm thinking the learning curve was pretty steep)


(weird how I meld real world stuff with my deviant nature, ain't it?)
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