(September 10, 2015 at 2:29 am)rexbeccarox Wrote: Oh, and MTL, please keep us apprised if there's something to tell us about. I am surprised this is happening in Canada... should I be?

I think the fact that we have an openly gay Premier in the most influential and powerful province in the country should indicate that Canada is at least someone progressive,

but there are bigots and closed-minded people everywhere, right?

(September 10, 2015 at 3:05 am)MTL Wrote: I really like that.  I wish it could be on the front page of the Toronto Star.

Just off the top of your head?

As to my style of posting, I'm sorry if it's annoying to some.
I've been expecting someone to comment on it.

I am constantly told I am too verbose.

I am trying to avoid a "wall of text",
and just make it visually easier to read, I guess.

Yes, it was off the top of my head. Not really noteworthy as poetry or prose, just a fun way of expressing it.

I too am too verbose, by my own reckoning (and likely, others', but few have said so). However, I do not find you so. I tend to count things as "too verbose" only if they are redundant/repetitive, or are saying a lot of nothing.

But I really do enjoy the way you play with the words and clearly put effort into the visuals of what you write. I noticed.

(September 10, 2015 at 5:01 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote:

(September 10, 2015 at 3:05 am)MTL Wrote: I really like that.  I wish it could be on the front page of the Toronto Star.

Just off the top of your head?

As to my style of posting, I'm sorry if it's annoying to some.
I've been expecting someone to comment on it.

I am constantly told I am too verbose.

I am trying to avoid a "wall of text",
and just make it visually easier to read, I guess.

Yes, it was off the top of my head. Not really noteworthy as poetry or prose, just a fun way of expressing it.

I too am too verbose, by my own reckoning (and likely, others', but few have said so). However, I do not find you so. I tend to count things as "too verbose" only if they are redundant/repetitive, or are saying a lot of nothing.

But I really do enjoy the way you play with the words and clearly put effort into the visuals of what you write. I noticed.

well thank you.

that's very kind of you

(September 10, 2015 at 2:28 am)rexbeccarox Wrote: Please talk more, if you feel comfortable. Five kids by twenty three isn't something I hear about very often. I imagine your story is fascinating.

What would you like to know?

Buncha fuckin prudes, those conservatives -_-

In public, but not behind closed doors . . .

(September 10, 2015 at 12:12 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote:

(September 9, 2015 at 11:19 pm)Pyrrho Wrote: Do you have any idea what your mother's reasoning was?  

Why did your mother object to you having sex education?

Our church heavily emphasized the concept of "the World versus Christians", and she felt that it wasn't the place of the school (secular government) to teach me about sex, but that it was something I needed to learn via the Church's teachings only.

Similarly, I grew up without any form of TV broadcast/cable, even though we had a television set and VCR, because an evangelist had told them, quote, "Television is Satan's way of sneaking into your home". The VCR setup let them control 100% of what we watched, usually via tapes checked out from our public library (she's a theatre professor, so lots of Broadway and classic movies) and from our church library (Christian videos). Today, I often joke that it's kind of amazing I turned out straight, given the sheer volume of Broadway musicals to which I was subjected as a child.

That still does not really explain it.  I was taught the concept of "the World versus Christians" also.  My mother did not tightly control the TV we watched, but she did control it some.  Of course, TV was pretty tame the many years ago when I was young, but she still would not let us watch whatever we wanted.

As for the church's teachings, what church teaches sex education?  They often tell you not to have sex before marriage, and not to have homosexual sex ever, but they do not usually teach about venereal diseases and so forth.  Did yours?  My mother had no objection to me learning about all of the diseases and how one could get them.  And about the fact that sex can lead to pregnancy, and she did not want me to believe any of the nonsense that I was shocked to learn other people believed (e.g., "you can't get pregnant the first time you have sex" and other such ridiculous drivel; I was amazed to learn from my sex ed class in school that people actually believed that).

Did your mother want you to be unaware of the venereal diseases that you could get having sex?  Did she want you to believe nonsense, like that you cannot get a girl pregnant the first time you have sex?  Or did she teach you these things herself?

(September 10, 2015 at 2:13 am)MTL Wrote: ...
It just blows my mind that there are still parents, in this day and age,

who confuse keeping their kids ignorant,
with keeping them innocent.

...

Yes.  But it also was idiotic for people in the past (not just idiotic "in this day and age").  My mother was a very devout Southern Baptist fundamentalist (if you want to get the idea, visit this site, which is only a slight exaggeration).  But she did not confuse ignorance with innocence.  She wanted me to be abstinent, but she did not want me to be ignorant.

(September 10, 2015 at 9:31 am)Divinity Wrote:

(September 10, 2015 at 2:28 am)rexbeccarox Wrote: Please talk more, if you feel comfortable. Five kids by twenty three isn't something I hear about very often. I imagine your story is fascinating.

What would you like to know?

Where to start?

You're obviously well-spoken (including the "fucks"), so your education wasn't lacking. Were you able to get through school? If not, how did you get so edumacated?

How old are your kids now? I mean five kids is so many, and five by the age of twenty three sounds exhausting! How did you cope?

What do you think of the state of sex education in schools? Do you think it's lack contributed to you having kids so young? Do you regret having kids so young?

(I'm not sure I would if I'd already lived it. You get to be a young gramma and get all of your kids out of the house before you're geriatric )

Money! How were you able to afford all of them at such a young age?

Seriously: if you don't want to answer any or all, I won't take offense. It's a really personal topic, I realize.

I was able to finish High School. It wasn't easy. Other girls teased me all the time because they knew I had kids, and that I had been pregnant three times. Which is why I started using the word fuck a lot. I knew it'd piss them the fuck off. They learned quickly not to bully me. I eventually got to go to college. Only after a couple of my kids graduated, though.

All of my kids are over the age of 18. It was pretty damn exhausting. Especially since when I was eighteen my parents decided to travel the world, leaving my 6 year old sister in my care. My younger sister barely knew her mother growing up. There was a long stretch of three years where she wouldn't even come back for as much as a visit. It wasn't too bad because my husband at the time had a good job. His father owned his own store, and they made good money. Of course that didn't fucking last. The asshole had the nerve to leave me when I was twenty six. He left me for a skanky nineteen year old, and the two are still together. That's when things went to fucking hell for me. Six kids to take care of, no source of income, my shitty lawyers failed to get me any child support. My ex-husband's parents were willing to help me out because their son was a fucking piece of shit who deserved to have his tiny brains blown out. My oldest daughter and my sister were starting to be a little more dependent by then. My sister was 14, and she could do a lot. My kids knew to fucking listen to me.

Sex Education varies by state. I mean shit, when I was in school it was pretty fucking pathetic. I don't think it contributed to my getting pregnant at a young age necessarily. Though I didn't take sex ed until after I was already pregnant. So yeah, fuck all it would have done me. All I knew was that my mother had sex at the age I was then, so i figured I could too. Luckily I learned from that. I taught my kids how to be safe, and that their urges aren't something they should be ashamed of. Our household was very sex positive. Do I regret having kids so young? A little. I love my kids, even the one that's a douchebag. I can't say I regret having them. If I could do it over and know that I'd have the exact same kids, would I want to do it later? Fuck yeah.

Getting all of my kids out of the house wasn't a huge deal for me. I had all the freedom I wanted. I never felt like there wasn't something I could do because my kids were at home. That's just how I raised them I think. A few months ago my oldest granddaughter came to live with me for a bit. It wasn't bad having her around really. Sometimes the place feels pretty fucking empty.

I took a job as a stripper, which made pretty good money. I took some other odd jobs here and there too. A lot of people would be shameful of the fact they took their clothes off for money, but I say fuck that. The only shitty thing about it was some of the customers were fucking assholes. But I had been married to a fucking asshole, so it didn't bother me too much. My ex-husband's parents would give me money from time to time. And when my father died (I was 30) he left me some money as well. I mean my father was fairly Independently Wealthy. Of course my mom has most of his money. I guess she fucking deserves it, but leaving my little sister with me was a shitty thing for her to do even though I love my sister.

Oh and of course once my sister was old enough, she started working. And she contributed to all the bills. Same went for my oldest daughter when she got old enough.