SURVIVOR

[Clueless Morgan]

Stephen's Blog for episode 4
http://www.people.com/article/survivor-c...eliminated

[Catholic_Lady]

Sooooooo, has anyone else taken note of Spencer's edit??

Could he possibly be getting the winner edit, or at least, the edit of a person who goes far? Then again, he is great TV. I love watching him because you can tell how much he's into the game and he's always playing.

Joe was beautiful, and perfect at challenges as usual. You can tell he's kinda trying to keep off the radar of a threat by letting other teammates take a lead role in challenges. Letting Terri go instead of him 2 weeks ago, letting Keith do the thing with the balls yesterday... you can tell he's holding back. He could have won both those challenges easily without the other teams even coming close. I feel like Spencer is very good at challenges too, but for some reason, is not seen that way. Perhaps because he's in Joe's shadow, no one notices the 2nd best??

Anyway, I'm glad Monica is gone. She kinda annoyed me with her all girl's alliance blabbering, and she was boring. I don't know why, but I feel like I become super misogynistic when it comes to this show lol. The only girl in Survivor that I ever liked a lot was Stephanie, and she was basically like a dude lol. I just feel like the girls aren't as good at the game, and are kinda boring. The men are much more diverse and interesting characters. And the women who actually ARE interesting characters are usually brats like Abi and Kass.

I know everyone is gaga over Jeremy, but I honestly don't see anything special about him. He's not a good strategist, and he's not even good at challenges. I don't find him the least bit intriguing at all. He also seems like kind of a sucker. Like, if you suck up to him and become his best friend, he'll keep you around. Easily manipulated.

Anyway, what did yall think of this episode?? Great season so far. Hoping all the interesting people continue to stay in the game.

[Clueless Morgan]

YAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYA!!!!

Bayon went to tribal, Stephen skipped through without a single vote, and Spence only got one completely expected vote!  Oh, and Monica is gone - YAYAYAYAYAY!!!!

I didn't like Monica from Samoa - but I think a lot of that had to do with her association with Laura and I hate-hate-hated Laura.  Monica had the stink of Laura all over her that season and came into this season with it, too - tho oddly enough Cierra doesn't have that stink on her at all despite being Laura's daughter.  Perhaps it's because Cierra actually played her own game whereas Monica seemed to coast along in Laura's shadow?

Loved this episode!

(Oh, BTW, Kimmi's strawman of Monica?    Then only time I kinda felt for Monica in the whole of Survivor.)

Sooooooo, has anyone else taken note of Spencer's edit??

Could he possibly be getting the winner edit, or at least, the edit of a person who goes far? Then again, he is great TV. I love watching him because you can tell how much he's into the game and he's always playing.

I think he's getting a great edit, along with Jeremy - but man, Jeremy cannot get it together in challenges!

Joe was beautiful, and perfect at challenges as usual.

You can tell he's kinda trying to keep off the radar of a threat by letting other teammates take a lead role in challenges. Letting Terri go instead of him 2 weeks ago, letting Keith do the thing with the balls yesterday... you can tell he's holding back.

I agree with that.  He seems a lot more aware this time around and is trying to not look so much like an obvious threat, even tho I think everyone still sees him as one.

I feel like Spencer is very good at challenges too, but for some reason, is not seen that way. Perhaps because he's in Joe's shadow, no one notices the 2nd best??

I don't think so.  Spencer isn't in Joe's shadow, and has never been.  They have yet to be on the same tribe so it's not like the tribes are always choosing Joe over Spence, and Joe has been passive enough in challenges that there hasn't been a big Joe-Spence head-to-head thing...  I think Spence is downplayed in the physical arena because his strategic game is stronger, and his social game needs work.  His physical game is just fine, so they're not commenting on it.

Anyway, I'm glad Monica is gone. She kinda annoyed me with her all girl's alliance blabbering, and she was boring.

I knew Monica was gone the second they opened the show with Kimmi complaining about her.  Practically nothing from Monica and Kimmi for four episodes and now they're opening with them arguing?  One of them is going - and it's the one that's not given the confessional about the other.  

I don't know why, but I feel like I become super misogynistic when it comes to this show lol. The only girl in Survivor that I ever liked a lot was Stephanie, and she was basically like a dude lol. I just feel like the girls aren't as good at the game, and are kinda boring. The men are much more diverse and interesting characters. And the women who actually ARE interesting characters are usually brats like Abi and Kass.

Yes, you are mysogynistic about this show. j/k...  What about Parvati?  What about Sandra?  Or Kim?  Or Sophie?

With that said, tho, I have heard quite a bit of criticism of the show for its favoritism toward the larger male characters.  If you think of all the people Probst seems to love, they're all men: Boston Rob, Coach, Malcolm, Colby, etc.  They all tend toward being macho, physical players, and since Probst became Executive Producer he has a lot more control over who he has the opportunity to favor.

I also think there's not a lot of love given toward women in general, let alone on the show.  Women who play aggressive games are seen as bitches, as too aggressive, and tend to fall into the villain category: Kass.  Women who use their charms and looks to get ahead are written off as simply using their feminine whiles to get what they want while the rest of their game is overlooked: Parvati.  Women who align with a dominant male player who takes all the bullets are viewed as riding coat tails while their efforts go unappreciated: Natalie White.

Anyway, what did yall think of this episode?? Great season so far. Hoping all the interesting people continue to stay in the game.

I'm nervous for Stephen next week; he seems to be getting a little cocky next week.

Survivor Know-It-Alls Episode 5
http://robhasawebsite.com/survivor-2015-...ctober-21/

[Whateverist]

Monica does seem like a useless snake in the grass to keep around and too unpredictable. Good riddance.

Sooooooo, has anyone else taken note of Spencer's edit??

Could he possibly be getting the winner edit, or at least, the edit of a person who goes far? Then again, he is great TV. I love watching him because you can tell how much he's into the game and he's always playing.

Could be the winner's cut but could also just be good TV as you say. Everyone can identify with him. He isn't that exceptional physically but he gets a lot out of what he has by adding a generous dose of smarts.

The only girl in Survivor that I ever liked a lot was Stephanie, and she was basically like a dude lol.

It must be said .. if Stephanie was basically like a dude, then Stephen is a total girl. Not just miss the shot but score one for another tribe. Brilliant.

Bayon went to tribal, Stephen skipped through without a single vote ..

How does that even happen? That guy is a plague with glasses. Gotta go. Do you both like him? Why? I mean, I know Cathy has a thing for pre-pubescent looking boys but what is your excuse, Morgan?

Loved this episode!

Yep, I was thoroughly entertained.

I don't know why, but I feel like I become super misogynistic when it comes to this show lol. The only girl in Survivor that I ever liked a lot was Stephanie, and she was basically like a dude lol. I just feel like the girls aren't as good at the game, and are kinda boring. The men are much more diverse and interesting characters. And the women who actually ARE interesting characters are usually brats like Abi and Kass.

Yes, you are mysogynistic about this show. j/k...  What about Parvati?  What about Sandra?  Or Kim?  Or Sophie?

And think of the boobies! What would the show be without them? (I wouldn't care to find out.)

I also think there's not a lot of love given toward women in general, let alone on the show.  Women who play aggressive games are seen as bitches, as too aggressive, and tend to fall into the villain category: Kass.  Women who use their charms and looks to get ahead are written off as simply using their feminine whiles to get what they want while the rest of their game is overlooked: Parvati.  Women who align with a dominant male player who takes all the bullets are viewed as riding coat tails while their efforts go unappreciated: Natalie White.

All good points. Women have a few advantages in the show but for the reasons you outline, they can all be turned against them. I'm shit with names but there have been several I'd put right up there as favorites .. even ignoring their wonderful knockers.

I'm nervous for Stephen next week; he seems to be getting a little cocky next week.

With any luck he'll get the axe he so richly deserves next week and relieve the tension for you.

[Clueless Morgan]

Could be the winner's cut but could also just be good TV as you say.  Everyone can identify with him.  He isn't that exceptional physically but he gets a lot out of what he has by adding a generous dose of smarts.

He also has a good story with his wife. (A way better story than Savage's I might add )

It must be said .. if Stephanie was basically like a dude, then Stephen is a total girl.  Not just miss the shot but score one for another tribe.  Brilliant.

Yeah, that was not great.

Bayon went to tribal, Stephen skipped through without a single vote ..

How does that even happen?  That guy is a plague with glasses.  Gotta go.  Do you both like him?  Why?  I mean, I know Cathy has a thing for pre-pubescent looking boys but what is your excuse, Morgan?

Cathy isn't a big fan, it's all me

I like me the smart boyz and his awkwardness drops him down to a level where I can almost believe that if I met him in real life I'd at least have a chance.  

And think of the boobies!  What would the show be without them?  (I wouldn't care to find out.)

I was going to chastise you for being such a guy... but I remember noticing Joe's undies-bulge when he was standing on the beach.

All good points.  Women have a few advantages in the show but for the reasons you outline, they can all be turned against them.  I'm shit with names but there have been several I'd put right up there as favorites .. even ignoring their wonderful knockers.

Many agree that Kim Spradlin was the best winner the show has ever had but hardly anyone who isn't a big survivor fan even really remembers her.

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This is Kim:

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I'm nervous for Stephen next week; he seems to be getting a little cocky next week.

With any luck he'll get the axe he so richly deserves next week and relieve the tension for you.  

Yur so meeeean!

[Catholic_Lady]

YAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYA!!!!

Bayon went to tribal, Stephen skipped through without a single vote, and Spence only got one completely expected vote!  Oh, and Monica is gone - YAYAYAYAYAY!!!!

I didn't like Monica from Samoa - but I think a lot of that had to do with her association with Laura and I hate-hate-hated Laura.  Monica had the stink of Laura all over her that season and came into this season with it, too - tho oddly enough Cierra doesn't have that stink on her at all despite being Laura's daughter.  Perhaps it's because Cierra actually played her own game whereas Monica seemed to coast along in Laura's shadow?

Loved this episode!

(Oh, BTW, Kimmi's strawman of Monica?    Then only time I kinda felt for Monica in the whole of Survivor.)

LOL, what is it with you and strawmen?? 

Sooooooo, has anyone else taken note of Spencer's edit??

Could he possibly be getting the winner edit, or at least, the edit of a person who goes far? Then again, he is great TV. I love watching him because you can tell how much he's into the game and he's always playing.

I think he's getting a great edit, along with Jeremy - but man, Jeremy cannot get it together in challenges!

Jeremy is boring. I hope he doesn't win. 

Joe was beautiful, and perfect at challenges as usual.

You can tell he's kinda trying to keep off the radar of a threat by letting other teammates take a lead role in challenges. Letting Terri go instead of him 2 weeks ago, letting Keith do the thing with the balls yesterday... you can tell he's holding back.

I agree with that.  He seems a lot more aware this time around and is trying to not look so much like an obvious threat, even tho I think everyone still sees him as one.

I feel like Spencer is very good at challenges too, but for some reason, is not seen that way. Perhaps because he's in Joe's shadow, no one notices the 2nd best??

I don't think so.  Spencer isn't in Joe's shadow, and has never been.  They have yet to be on the same tribe so it's not like the tribes are always choosing Joe over Spence, and Joe has been passive enough in challenges that there hasn't been a big Joe-Spence head-to-head thing...  I think Spence is downplayed in the physical arena because his strategic game is stronger, and his social game needs work.  His physical game is just fine, so they're not commenting on it.

It kinda happened on the immunity challenge yesterday. Joe, Spencer, and Andrew were the first from their tribes to go. Joe ran up the obstacle coarse ahead of Spencer who was close behind him, but was able to score a point on his first try. Spencer took a few tries to get it. But I see what you're saying. The most interesting thing about Spence is his strategic play and commentary, so no need to focus on success of challenges. I do hope they both make it to the merge because I can't wait to see them compete against each other.  

Anyway, I'm glad Monica is gone. She kinda annoyed me with her all girl's alliance blabbering, and she was boring.

I knew Monica was gone the second they opened the show with Kimmi complaining about her.  Practically nothing from Monica and Kimmi for four episodes and now they're opening with them arguing?  One of them is going - and it's the one that's not given the confessional about the other.  

Yeah, I had the feeling when they lost the immunity challenge and Jeff asked her about it she was all like "oh tribal is not that bad." 

I don't know why, but I feel like I become super misogynistic when it comes to this show lol. The only girl in Survivor that I ever liked a lot was Stephanie, and she was basically like a dude lol. I just feel like the girls aren't as good at the game, and are kinda boring. The men are much more diverse and interesting characters. And the women who actually ARE interesting characters are usually brats like Abi and Kass.

Yes, you are mysogynistic about this show. j/k...  What about Parvati?  What about Sandra?  Or Kim?  Or Sophie?

With that said, tho, I have heard quite a bit of criticism of the show for its favoritism toward the larger male characters.  If you think of all the people Probst seems to love, they're all men: Boston Rob, Coach, Malcolm, Colby, etc.  They all tend toward being macho, physical players, and since Probst became Executive Producer he has a lot more control over who he has the opportunity to favor.

LOL, I am the same way though! I don't mean to be mysogynist, but the men on the show really *are* better lol. And I always like the macho guys best who are leaders and good at challenges. Joe, Ozzy, Mike, Andrew, Spencer, Ethan... Love them.  Parvati was OK, I only saw her in her first season. Sandra was boring (also only saw first season), and I never saw Kim/Sophie's season.  

I also think there's not a lot of love given toward women in general, let alone on the show.  Women who play aggressive games are seen as bitches, as too aggressive, and tend to fall into the villain category: Kass.  Women who use their charms and looks to get ahead are written off as simply using their feminine whiles to get what they want while the rest of their game is overlooked: Parvati.  Women who align with a dominant male player who takes all the bullets are viewed as riding coat tails while their efforts go unappreciated: Natalie White.

Hmm, I hope that's not subconsciously why I like them less. 

Anyway, what did yall think of this episode?? Great season so far. Hoping all the interesting people continue to stay in the game.

I'm nervous for Stephen next week; he seems to be getting a little cocky next week.

Survivor Know-It-Alls Episode 5
http://robhasawebsite.com/survivor-2015-...ctober-21/

They haven't shown much of Stephen, which makes me think he may not last long. But them again they haven't shown much of Joe either, so I HOPE that's not the case. 

[Catholic_Lady]

HAHAHAHA!!!!

No, Whateverist, I don't like Stephen. I'm neutral on him. I like Joe. He's beautiful, in case you didn't know.

[Whateverist]

How does that even happen?  That guy is a plague with glasses.  Gotta go.  Do you both like him?  Why?  I mean, I know Cathy has a thing for pre-pubescent looking boys but what is your excuse, Morgan?

Cathy isn't a big fan, it's all me

I like me the smart boyz and his awkwardness drops him down to a level where I can almost believe that if I met him in real life I'd at least have a chance.  

https://youtu.be/jsY2MG0qggs


The only thing between you and having a chance is your self doubt.  (I've seen the pictures.)

And think of the boobies!  What would the show be without them?  (I wouldn't care to find out.)

I was going to chastise you for being such a guy... but I remember noticing Joe's undies-bulge when he was standing on the beach.

The biggest difference between a girl perving and a guy perving is you can be pretty sure we'd love to show you you what's in the package if we only knew.  If only it worked that way with boobs.  

Many agree that Kim Spradlin was the best winner the show has ever had but hardly anyone who isn't a big survivor fan even really remembers her.

Yep she owned that season.

With any luck he'll get the axe he so richly deserves next week and relieve the tension for you.  

Yur so meeeean!

[Clueless Morgan]

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LOL, what is it with you and strawmen??

There are better ways to argue Kimmi's point than to strawman Monica like she did.

Plus, as a mental exercise, it's kinda fun to see when you can spot logical fallacies on the fly.

Jeremy is boring. I hope he doesn't win.

Me neither.

I do hope they both make it to the merge because I can't wait to see them compete against each other.

I hope they both make the merge, too.

With Stephen.

Yeah, I had the feeling when they lost the immunity challenge and Jeff asked her about it she was all like "oh tribal is not that bad." 

Dead player walking from that moment on.

LOL, I am the same way though! I don't mean to be mysogynist, but the men on the show really *are* better lol.

Or...

We are culturally primed to accept the kind of behavior indicative of a "good" or "memorable" survivor player in men more than we are of women.

Hmm, I hope that's not subconsciously why I like them less.   

Googled some articles on sexism and Survivor (it's been a thing for a long time) and got these:

(quotes of the articles in the hide tags)

The Tribe Has Broken: How Sexism Is Silently Killing 'Survivor'
http://www.npr.org/sections/monkeysee/20...g-survivor

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Nothing beats the aftermath of the fact that after winning a challenge, John had to give away to someone a clue to a hidden immunity idol. Candice, because she strongly dislikes former NFL-er Brad Culpepper, thought it would be good to give the clue to Brad's wife Monica, on the theory that having a perceived advantage might make Monica a target. So she said to John, "Let's give it to Monica." He agreed, and gave it to Monica. "Does she tell you what to do all the time?", host Jeff Probst sneered. John joked back that she tries, but he doesn't always listen, blah blah blah. Your basic "Cool story, bro."

And then immediately — immediately — Brad Culpepper gave Monica the order. Firmly, with no discussion. "Walk it down and put in the fire. Walk it down and put it in the fire. Walk it down and put it in the fire." He said it three times, just like that, and after two times, she got up and did it. Did Jeff Probst say, "Does he tell you what to do all the time?" No, he did not. Candice did: she jumped in and said, "Doin' what she's told." But Probst just said, admiringly, "That's the first time that has ever happened."

Now, maybe Candice was more bossy and they didn't show it. Maybe the Culpeppers talked more and they didn't show it. But the scene the show gave you reinforced an idea right out of Catskillsian comedy of the late 1950s: the sickest burn you can lay on a guy is that he listens to his wife. But when a guy lowers the boom and his wife follows without question, that's just a strong man being a strong man. There has rarely been a more naked accidental reveal of the fact that the show — and specifically its host — are rolling around in gender dynamics of which they are almost completely unaware. Not only is this a rotten thing for women to have to watch, but it's a rotten thing for men who aren't jerks to have to watch, because it basically means tuning in to hear a bunch of swagger-shaming based on the apparent influence of too many four-blade razor commercials and too little interest in hearing women talk.

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http://www.buddytv.com/articles/survivor...56379.aspx

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When women cry, they're emotional, but when men cry, they're sensitive. Men are competitive and passionate, women are dramatic. Men strategize, women have to be handled. Men are leaders, women are their puppets. Men are threats, women are expendable. Over and over again the double standard rears its ugly head.
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You can write Rodney off as a product of his environment, but that doesn't make his propaganda any less dangerous. Several of these players grew up watching Survivor. What kind of messages are Rodney, Dan, Will and even Mike sending young fans? Would everyone do and say nothing if Rodney was using racial slurs or bragging about using physical force against a homosexual tribe member? It's upsetting to me that these womens' self-worth can be bought and sold for a million dollars.

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They haven't shown much of Stephen, which makes me think he may not last long. But them again they haven't shown much of Joe either, so I HOPE that's not the case.

They haven't shown a lot of a lot of people, and the one person they've shown the most of this season was voted out last week: Varner.

[Clueless Morgan]

Stephen's blog is out early this week:
http://www.people.com/article/survivor-c...eliminated

And here's some Fishbachian Apologetics (or perhaps revisionist history?) on the challenge blunder
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i09jbB8iPQs