SURVIVOR

[Amine]

I think Spencer really messed up when he had the chance to get rid of Jeremy or Tasha when he made that group of 4 with Keith, Abi, and Kelley.

There's this thing about Survivor.. I think it was Colton from "One World" who said it first: "cut off the head of the snake". Colton was actually a brilliant player until his emotional breakdown. His defeat of Monica was one of the best moves in Survivor history if you ask me. I mean, the guy got convinced his own tribe to go to tribal council and get rid of Bill for no other reason than he didn't like the guy.

Basically: Spencer pulled a Woo when he should have pulled a Tony. He got suckered into the whole "honor" game. He tried to win off his social game, but that's not his natural strength. It's certainly important, but he is a strategist. He should have known he couldn't beat Jeremy socially. Shoulda cut off the head of the snake.

[Catholic_Lady]

^He explained it in the interview.

If he had gone with Keith, Abi, and Kelley, he wouldn't make it to the final 3 unless HE won the last immunity challenge, because none of them would have picked him to go with them to the final 3. He knew Tasha and Jeremy would, though.

[Catholic_Lady]

I'm not upset that Jeremy won but I didn't think his game was worthy of a blow out vote. And it's not like I would have voted for him because I would have wanted to validate his personal emotional growth, I thought he played a more strategic and more aware game than Jeremy. Jeremy was totally dupe by kimmi but spence and Tasha saw through her. And spence, too, was able to dupe Jeremy (and Tasha) at the Stephen vote.

I do think Jeremy's personal story combined with a bitter jury combined to give him the blow out win.

^This. Exactly this. That's why I thought it was lame that he won. It should have been Spencer.

I still can't believe he didn't get a single vote. And these are returning players, too. They should know better than to vote based on bitterness or how much you like the person.

[Clueless Morgan]

Interesting that everyone views the jury as bitter when they themselves, at least many of them, said in their Ponderosas how this jury would be motivated to be objective about merit and not hold grudges.

There were definitely aspects of the final tribal that didn't make it appear as tho they were being objective. That could have to do with the way it was edited (like why Abi needed notes to ask one question-her bit was probably way cut down from what actually happened). Stephen addressing spencer, for instance, seemed more emotionally driven than objective. And my memory is that Savage seemed rather bitter the entire time he was at Ponderosa.

I don't think they were an especially bitter jury, but Some of them seemed emotional.

[Clueless Morgan]

Sure, *if* the jury is willing to look past those unenjoyable aspects of her personality.

Remember back in the Samoa and Heroes v. Villains seasons - Russel Hantz made it to the end on superior strategy, but lost in both cases to coattail riders because he is just not a very likable person.

Kelley was no Russell. Russell was mean, arrogant, and condescending, and, for me at least, there were just some annoying traits I didn't really like about Kelley but nothing that would have turned me into a bitter jury member.
I'm not sure Kelley was as disliked by that jury as Russell was by either of his.

[c172]

Having the jury kind of annoys me. It makes the whole thing seem so hopeless for some players. But OTOH, it's odd imagining Survivor without it. Already looking forward to the next one.

[Clueless Morgan]

Having the jury kind of annoys me. It makes the whole thing seem so hopeless for some players. But OTOH, it's odd imagining Survivor without it. Already looking forward to the next one.

That's part of what makes survivor so interesting to me: you not only have to figure out how to get to the end, but also how to win with the jury you have - something neither Russell nor Amanda ever learned to do - both two-time finalist, both two-time losers. That's also, to me, what makes the show so unpredictable. I also like how each season develops its own personality because of the players and what they bring to the show.

[Jackalope]

Sure, *if* the jury is willing to look past those unenjoyable aspects of her personality.

Remember back in the Samoa and Heroes v. Villains seasons - Russel Hantz made it to the end on superior strategy, but lost in both cases to coattail riders because he is just not a very likable person.

Kelley was no Russell. Russell was mean, arrogant, and condescending, and, for me at least, there were just some annoying traits I didn't really like about Kelley but nothing that would have turned me into a bitter jury member.
I'm not sure Kelley was as disliked by that jury as Russell was by either of his.

I wasn't comparing them in terms of degree - merely providing Hantz as an obvious-asshole-is-obvious example.

[Clueless Morgan]

Blatant necropost ahead:

Survivor 32, Kaoh Rong – Brawn vs Brains vs Beauty II premieres February 17th

[Catholic_Lady]

I was JUST thinking about this today and wondering when the next season would start. Yay! Can't wait!