Spiritual Satanism

[brewer]

Yawn-no stretch.

[Angrboda]

Obnoxious wall of text is obnoxious.

[Losty]

I always like to see satanist shedding light on the truth about satanism, merely because so many people have no idea what satanism is. Your OP is long winded though and I got really bored less than half way through. I say, make an intro thread and introduce yourself. It's much like an aa meeting. Hi I'm Bob and I'm a satanist is all you need to start with. Then maybe start an "Ask a Satanist" thread and let people ask you questions about things they're interested in.

If you just pop in with a massive wall of text about how satan is the one true god and Christians are wrong...you'll likely get nothing but ridicule.

[Catholic_Lady]

Welcome to the forums. This is interesting.

Have you ever experienced anything supernatural?

[Tartarus Sauce]

There are different sects of Satanism. Joy of Satan Ministries is Spiritual Satanism.

Never heard of it, and having read the rest of your post it's not looking like you're related to LaVeyan Satanism.

Satanism is not a "Christian invention."

Obviously not, Satanists aren't Christian. Satan, however, is very much a Christian invention.

Satanism predates Christianity and all other religions.

Really? Mention one instance of Satanic worship pre-Christianity. The modern Christian conception of Satan took centuries to develop. Even if you reject this bastard depiction of your deity, you'd be hard-pressed to find an instance of somebody venerating the "true form" of something before it exists as a concept. Frankly, I don't know what you mean by "Satan" anymore, are you referring to one of the earliest named deities we have on record (I'd reckon that would be one of the Sumerian gods)? If so, why use the name Satan?

Satanism is not about spooks, goblins, vampires, Halloween monsters or other related entities.

Satanism is not about "evil."

No surprises here.

Satanism is not a "reaction to Christianity."

Except it totally is. The fact you can't stop banging on about Christianity in this post bears testament to that.

Satanism is not about death.

True Satanism is about elevating and empowering humanity, which was our True Creator (Satan's) intention.

Sounds pretty similar to LaVeyan Satanism other than the part where you treat Satan as a literal god.

We know Satan/Lucifer as a real being.

We know Satan to be the True Father and Creator God of humanity.

Here you sound like any other old theist.

We know "Yaweh/Jehova" of the bible to be a fictitious entity, and the people behind coercing this lie, to be the true deceivers of humanity and the masters of lies. This is evident in the many contradictions within the Judeo/Christian Bible, revealing this text to be the work of human beings who had occult knowledge and infused it with power to make it credible, and to incite fear in order to control.

While I certainly find this diatribe entertaining, it does contradict your assertion that Satanism isn't a reaction to Christianity.

We are law abiding.

I would certainly hope so.

We DO NOT advocate or participate in any blood or living sacrifice. This act is Judeo/Christian, as stated in their Bible-  Deuteronomy 12:27:
"And thou shalt offer thy burnt offerings, the flesh and the blood, upon the altar of the LORD thy God: and the blood of thy sacrifices shall be poured out upon the altar of the LORD thy God, and thou shalt eat the flesh."

HA, good point, especially since Christians were the ones fanatically decrying Satanists as blood sacrificers, like as if Yahweh would consider that a bad thing according to the Bible.

We have found Satanism is the original religion of humanity. We have done our research. Satanism is based upon the ancient religions that predated Judaism and Christianity from hundreds to thousands of years.

Ahhh, I see now, you really are talking about a Satan removed from the conception of Christianity. So you want to vindicate your god's name from the besmirching he received at the hands of Christians. So no, you aren't a reaction to Christianity, you are reacting against Christianity's trifling.

You do realize of course, we are going to want to see the research you have conducted on this? I'm skeptical of your claims of "Satanism" pre-dating Christianity. Also, claiming it as the "oldest religion" is misleading, the oldest known deities in written record as a far as I'm aware are those of the Ancient Sumerian religion. Religion predates written language, so whatever the earliest religion was has been lost to the eons.

Christianity was a reaction to the original Pagan religions, labeled as "Satanism" meaning "enemy/adversary" in Hebrew. If you read through the information contained within this website, we prove this.

You're spot on with the "enemy/adversary" definition in Hebrew, but I've never heard of any religious sect worshiping a deity named Satan before the advent of Christianity.

Christianity was invented to remove spiritual and occult knowledge (the powers of the mind) from the populace and place this power in the hands of a "chosen" few to the detriment of all humanity. The powers of the mind and soul are very real. People who are unaware of or who do not believe in these powers are easy to control and manipulate by those who are skilled in using these energies.

Uh huh, sure, whatever you say.

The Original Gods [Demons] were unjustly labeled as monsters and branded as "evil" to keep humanity from spiritual knowledge. Because of this, the human race has drastically degenerated both spiritually and intellectually.

True, the Christian conception of Satan is an amalgamation of several vilified Pagan deities.  

Spiritual Satanism strongly advocates all learning, knowledge, inquiry, and free thought.

Spiritual Satanism supports the separation of church and state. Satanists do not push Satanism or prosyletize.

Spiritual Satanists acknowledge science and believe everything of the occult/supernatural to have a rational scientific explanation. We believe humanity has been held back dangerously in this area due to the hoax of Judeo/Christianity and its relentless attacks upon science for centuries.

Veering back into the overlapping territory with LaVeyan Satanism.

We practice power meditation to advance spiritually and to elevate ourselves. Power meditation is as essential for the human soul as food is essential for the human body. The serpent, a symbol of Satan represents the firey kundalini force coiled at the base of the spine, which upon ascending, transforms the human mind and soul to a much higher level of understanding and ability. This is the true meaning of "Raising the Devil." The Serpent symbol of Satan also represents the DNA helix of life.

Woo, woo, and more woo. John Woo would be proud.

We work directly with Satan. We believe each and every person who is willing and respectful can have a personal relationship with Satan. There are no mediators in Spiritual Satanism; the Ministry is here only for guidance and support.

Ah, you're another one of those people that talk to their invisible friend.

We take our tenets and practices directly from Satan himself. For far too long, enemies of Satan such as the Christian churches have been at liberty to dictate lies concerning Satan and Satanism. These lies have been the foundation of occult crimes and other heinous acts that they indirectly promote. True Satanism has been actively and zealously suppressed for centuries and many out of ignorance believe lies about Satan and react accordingly.

Clearly, I've never heard of this type of Satanism you're talking about, you'll have to enlighten us.

Spiritual Satanism is a life loving religion. Satan accepts us as we are, but guides us to advance ourselves to where we evolve to a higher level. Spiritual Satanists are free to live their lives as they choose- responsibility to the responsible. We live by natural law and encourage everyone to develop themselves to their fullest extent.

What an uplifting, humanist statement. Don't agree with the whole Satan is real thing, but I appreciate the sentiment.

We know we “save” our own souls as opposed to claims of the Nazarene saving anyone. Satanism is based upon the true transformation of the soul through power meditation. The Nazarene is a fictitious entity, whose identity was stolen form some 18+ crucified Pagan Gods, such as Odin, who hung from a tree and is nothing more than a tool to keep humanity under the control of a chosen few. The Nazarene has been used in Christian masses and services as a substitute for a human living blood sacrifice, revealing their true purpose.

You should confront some actual Christian's on the cannibalistic undertones of their religion, they'd lose their shit.

The Judeo/Christian religion is a vicious hoax on humanity of catastrophic proportions. For a hoax to succeed there has to be a lack of knowledge on the part of the victim. The Christian religion and its cohorts actively suppress knowledge and free thought, encourage people to be slaves, and never advocate or teach anything for the betterment or advancement of humanity. As opposed to the stories of how the Nazarene healed people; Satan shows us how we can heal ourselves and perform so-called miracles, using our minds and the powers of our own souls.

I wouldn't go so far as to call it a hoax, bullshit is more apt.

Through empowering ourselves, we have confidence, self-respect and achieve spiritual advancement and independence.

Okey dokey lemon smokey.

Spiritual Satanism places no limits on developing the powers of the mind- known as "witchcraft" or "magick." We believe in justice and just as martial artists are versed in the uses of Dim Mak and other aspects of physical combat, Spiritual Satanists are versed in the Black Arts of "magick" should they ever need them. People who are unaware of these powers are defenseless against them, and the powers that be know this all too well. Satan does not tolerate injustice.

Do your worst, I'm a poor innocent boy with no defense from the penetrating influences of black magic. Prove to me that your powers are authentic.

Spiritual Satanism does not in any way condone spirit abuse as taught in the classical grimoires. The Demons who were bound and compelled to do the bidding of the sorcerers are now free and anyone using the nine-foot circle methods and "Jehova" names is inviting personal disaster. The Demons are our friends and with respect and reverence in summoning through Satan, we seek to establish mutually beneficial relationships with them.

Then what the hell do you need black magic for if you aren't gonna do any good old fashioned possession or mind enslavement? To defend yourself from spiritual wedgies?

Spiritual Satanism advocates individuality, liberty, and independence.

I can agree with that.

It is obvious that Satan is not the "deceiver of humanity." His followers have been few in number and he doesn't need copious amounts of wealth, power and control to keep his followers.

Valid point, there aren't exactly any instances of multi-billion dollar institutions representing Satan vying to control large-scale social order. Can't say the same for Christianity.

In conclusion; you've got some kooky beliefs, but I agree with your values.

Welcome to AF.

[MTL]

Hey, Sail Hatan,

I'm an Agnostic and Anti-Theist, raised in a Baptist home.

I found your post quite interesting, although I agree, a post under 'Introductions' would have been better,
but perhaps you didn't realize you had the option.

At any rate, I'm frequently long-winded, myself, so I can't complain about that part,
and I'd like to extend you a welcome.

There are a few Theists who take part in these Atheist forums,
so I see no reason why a Satanist shouldn't.

I have entertained many theories, on my journey to Agnosticism,
and one of them is similar to the scenario you paint:

That the Abrahamic religions are actually the real bad guys,
and Satan was actually the good guy, who unfairly got a bum rap.

I've also entertained the Deist theory of an impartial and disaffected God (and no devil, at all)
who is more like a scientist or architect, who doesn't give a shit about "Sin" or being "worshiped"
and neither loves, nor hates humanity, but simply carries on with His own experiments;

Of course, these are all just theories I entertained;


my personal leaning is that there most likely isn't a God, isn't a Devil,
that there are no human souls or an afterlife,
no Heaven, no Hell....just a big atomic soup called the Universe.

Ultimately, despite my leanings, I always allow for any possibility.
...but not any probability.

However, I'm a little surprised that you didn't at least get a few more acknowledgments
of the bad stuff you mentioned about Christianity;

however, it must be remembered that most Atheists will figuratively
come out in a rash if exposed to ANY organized dogma,
and will react with corresponding antipathy.

For me, philosophically, your representation of Satanism is actually quite appealing,
and for me, the only real rub in what you had to say was the acceptance of Satan as a real entity.

It compels me to pose the same question to you that I would to a Christian, a Jew, or a Muslim:

Can you prove....beyond all doubt...that your deity exists...or existed at one time?

Or, like Christianity, does your religion hang on Faith?

And can you prove that the stuff you claim to know ABOUT your deity, is actually true?

If it was just the philosophical concept of not condemning the Biblical Satan for His role as a rebel,
(which was my understanding of what Satanism actually was),
then I suspect that more Atheists would be slightly more tolerant of the idea


...although many of them still reject the idea that any organization is required,
just for the purposes of examining a philosophy.

but you are touting Satan as a deity,
just as much as Christians tout Christ as a deity;
and you profess the existence of "powers" and "miracles".

the dogma is very different, yes
...but there is still a deity at the core that you maintain is "real".

Now, granted, I don't recall reading anything, anywhere in what you wrote,
indicating that your deity requires worship, as such, the way the Biblical God does.

You simply stipulated that a "relationship" with Satan was possible
for anyone who was "willing and respectful".

I find that interesting.  Does your deity, Satan, not actually require worship, as such?

I did note that you said that Satanism was about
"elevating and empowering humanity",

and again, I think that concept would be somewhat more palatable as a mere philosophy, amongst Theists,
....but not as a religion, with both dogma, and a deity, behind it.

so it raises the question: 

why does Satan care about elevating and empowering humanity?

Also:  you mention demons that were once "bound" using rituals and the name of Jehova.

If Satan is the original Creator, how were his demons so easily bound, by mere humans?

That's like telling a Christian that Michael the Archangel was once put in a cage by humans,
and God allowed it, or was powerless to do anything about it, at least immediately.

And finally, with regard to the importance of meditation and mind powers,
it could be interpreted different ways:

Do you mean to say that Satanism makes it possible for you to have mind powers
on the scale that most people today would consider to be those of a superhero?  Like in the movies?
Like telekinesis or telepathy?
The literal ability to directly and immediately manipulate events or matter,
merely by personal will?

or, do you mean it in a more subtle sense;
like the power of positive thinking;
like visualizing what you want to achieve,
and then taking real-life steps to realize what you envisioned,
benefiting from the focus and confidence you garnered as a result of your visualization?

Are you simply saying that this power, of positive thinking and visualization,
can be far more useful that people realize
(and that Satanism encourages this balancing practice and self-healing and self-betterment)
and is too easily dismissed
.....by those who misunderstand and think you are touting something supernatural?

I hope you haven't been chased off by the cool reception you received,
and if I've misunderstood anything, I look forward to hearing your clarification.

And again, welcome!

[Catholic_Lady]

I am very interested in hearing more from this person, since I have never spoken to a satanist before and am super curious. I hope he/she comes back and starts an "Ask a..." thread.

[CapnAwesome]

Satan wants us to type in unnecessarily large font.

[Catholic_Lady]

I'm actually pretty sure this person is a poe lol.

[Sail Hatan]

I am very interested in hearing more from this person, since I have never spoken to a satanist before and am super curious. I hope he/she comes back and starts an "Ask a..." thread.

I will but first I have to go to sleep, wake up, go to work, go to school, go home, go online briefly, and go to sleep again. Tuesday is good day for me to do all of this. Monday night maybe if I don't sleep. Today I have been up since 2 in the morning. I'm very tired. I guess I can start an "Ask a..." thread tonight though.... I am a he btw.