Random Thoughts on Hell: Daddy's Crazy

[Athene]

No, I'm not mixed up, GC.
What I'm suggesting is that if the God of the Bible happened to be real, I wouldn't concern myself with worship
because I would consider Him to be quite vicious and deeply disturbed.

Godschild wrote:
You've said this several time throughout your posts on many threads, but I'm not sure I've ever seen you give evidence for your belief, is there?

If I were to believe your God was real, I would attribute those qualities to Him due to the Biblical doctrine regarding Hell. That is the entire premise of my original post.

Godschild wrote:
But God's not controlling, manipulative, emotionally unstable, I'm just not sure where you got those things.

Same as above. The torment of Hell alone is more than sufficient reason for me to come to that conclusion.
Really, GC? You don't know where I got these things?

Godschild wrote:
I've seen what God's done and cruel, sadistic and whimsical are not part of who God is. I know you don't believe I've had an experience so real with God that I have no doubts about His existence, I hope that this want last, but to be realistic I'm not going to hold my breath on this one, old men do not have the lung capacity they use to   . Maybe my stubbornest and relentless convictions will show you I'm serious, guess?

You strike me as an honest and sincere person. I believe that you feel you've had a profound experience. I believe that you believe God was the source of your experience.

Godschild wrote:
 God sees and treats everyone equal in His love.

Have you ever even heard of Hell, GC?

Godschild wrote:
Just about finished with a set of lamps I built for myself, will then be on to the other projects, I seldom build things for myself took the time to buld these lamps just for me. 

Glad to hear that things are moving right along; it's important to make time for yourself. Thanks for checking in.

[Drich]

Hell. My goodness, what to say? Let's say that God and Hell do exist, for the sake of argument. The idea that a massive number of kind, just and loving people will be sentenced to the ultimate suffering and torment forever is insane. Theists may chime in with some wisdom on obedience, gifts and grace, but it has no bearing on the bigger issue.To describe God sentencing good people to an infinite Hell as an overreaction, doesn't do it justice. It's beyond an overreaction. An implementation so unreasonable and unfair, so over-the-top that I'm having difficult time understanding why I ever believed any of this.

But, keeping with the premise that all of this happens to be true....good grief, we're all screwed aren't we? As in all of humanity. A completely unreasonable, highly sadistic maniac is running the show. He's not made himself very clear....and he likes setting people up. That combination doesn't bode well for any of of us, does it? Can worship really tip the scales? Why bother?

Start by defining 'good'. Who is or ever was good?

The good today was not 'good' just 100 years ago, and the 'good' 100 years ago is not considered 'good' today. Even today the 'good' in western society is not considered 'good' in others, and again vise versa. If 'Good' is such an absolute quality, why so many changes? The truth is our standard of 'good' changes with what our circumstances will allow, in proportion to how much evil we as a society will accept for the sake of our communities. (What people/pop culture wants as a whole) 

So I ask again who is Good, truly Good? In order for their to be Good their must be an absolute standard in which Good is measured by. This standard can not be society specific because as I just pointed out soceities change and move to change their standards of 'good' with their pop culture.. So again we must define 'Good' by an absolutle non moving standard. Now by the very nature of 'pop morality' changing from generation to generation and from society to society, we are all destined to move away from this anchored standard of 'good.' If this is the case then it is as Jesus said "There are none who are Good."

That being the case ALL should be sent to Hell. Because again Non are Good. This also means none in heaven are 'good.'
Which would lead to conclude Heaven and Hell (biblically speaking) is not about who is good and who is not. According to Christ it is all about atonement. One must be perfect to enter into Heaven, and none are.. So that means 'morality' ceases to be our measure of righteousness.(whether we are worthy of Heaven or Hell) If we make it to Heaven we know Our 'righteousness' is not ours. it is the Righteousness of Christ that we adopt through accepting his atonement for us. why Christ? Because He lived a perfect life, and with his shed blood literally bought us a place in Heaven. However if we can not accept the terms of what He has done nor accept Christ as being our savior then according to the bible we will face judgement of our 'good.'

[Athene]

Which would lead to conclude Heaven and Hell (biblically speaking) is not about who is good and who is not. According to Christ it is all about atonement. One must be perfect to enter into Heaven, and none are.. So that means 'morality' ceases to be our measure of righteousness.(whether we are worthy of Heaven or Hell) If we make it to Heaven we know Our 'righteousness' is not ours. it is the Righteousness of Christ that we adopt through accepting his atonement for us. why Christ? Because He lived a perfect life, and with his shed blood literally bought us a place in Heaven. However if we can not accept the terms of what He has done nor accept Christ as being our savior then according to the bible we will face judgement of our 'good.'

I understand that. To me, this is why the concept of Hell is insane. Adam and Eve were perfect, but because of their transgressions every person afterward is born wrong, and doomed to suffer an unimaginable torment...unless they accept the gift. 

The gift is simply not a gift.
It would be if those who accepted it were allowed admittance into Heaven after death, while those who didn't simply remained dead.
The sentence of eternal pain and suffering for not accepting the gift, turns said gift into an insanely violent threat. It's a shakedown.... a 'protection' racket.

That indicates malevolence, in my opinion.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Which would lead to conclude Heaven and Hell (biblically speaking) is not about who is good and who is not. According to Christ it is all about atonement. One must be perfect to enter into Heaven, and none are.. So that means 'morality' ceases to be our measure of righteousness.(whether we are worthy of Heaven or Hell) If we make it to Heaven we know Our 'righteousness' is not ours. it is the Righteousness of Christ that we adopt through accepting his atonement for us. why Christ? Because He lived a perfect life, and with his shed blood literally bought us a place in Heaven. However if we can not accept the terms of what He has done nor accept Christ as being our savior then according to the bible we will face judgement of our 'good.'

I understand that. To me, this is why the concept of Hell is insane. The first man and woman were perfect, but because of their transgressions every person afterward is born wrong, and doomed to suffer an unimaginable torment...unless they accept the gift. 

The gift is simply not a gift.
It would be if those who accepted it were allowed admittance into Heaven after death, while those who didn't simply remained dead.
The sentence of eternal pain and suffering for not accepting the gift, turns said gift into an insanely violent threat. It's a shakedown.... a 'protection' racket.

That indicates malevolence, in my opinion.

Adam & Eve were not the first people.  They were the progenitors of the Jews and Jesus' ancestors.  Remember, the fairy tale says that Assyria, Persia, Arabia, and Ethiopia were just down the road from the Garden of Eden.

[robvalue]

Yeah, all those people in the land of Nod. Where did they come from? Unless Eve had a cannon for a vagina...

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Yeah, all those people in the land of Nod. Where did they come from? Unless Eve had a cannon for a vagina...

Isn't Nod one of the coolest names ever for a country?

[Aroura]

Hell wasn't even invented until after Christianity was pretty well established.
Then they recently re-invented it to mean a loss of god's love (and of course shifted the blame onto the individual by saying people CHOSE to reject god), instead of the fiery pit with Satan.




Clearly, we are already living in a place without god's love.  If hell were real, this is it for most people.  Fortunately, it's not real, and this is the worst thing humans will be forced to expndure.

[TheRocketSurgeon]

Start by defining 'good'. Who is or ever was good?