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RE: Religion's affect outside of religion
September 28, 2015 at 4:15 pm
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
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RE: Religion's affect outside of religion
September 28, 2015 at 6:25 pm
(September 28, 2015 at 4:14 pm)Drich Wrote: (September 28, 2015 at 10:25 am)TubbyTubby Wrote: On a side note Dripster, isn't it about time you got a new avatar. I was sat on a bus the other day, staring out the window and dreaming dirty naughty thoughts when a huge fucking sunflower appeared over the top of a fence and burned my eyes and made me think of you. I sicked in my mouth. Change it to a warthog or something, don't get many of them on my bus journey route. That particular sunflower represented hope when I had none. It was light on my darkest day (they only bloom/look good for a day or two.) this one bloomed, and was taller than my house the size of a very large dinner plate, or a serving platter. On a day where I just wanted to say F-it all, it made me stop for a moment and admire it and the few dozen smaller ones growing around it. So I stopped and took a breath and a few pictures, and shared them with my wife (the one who planted them.) It serves two purposes now (almost 10 years later) One, to remind me of the hope I need to bring here, to you all 'good people,' and two to give me hope again when things here get tough.
So, sorry if I messed up your bus ride, just wait a few more days and if the flower is allowed to goto seed it will get very heavy with sunflower seeds and begin to droop below that fence line. Like I said, you will forever be stuck in a loop of rejecting logic and reason, and we can't give you a logical argument for why you should accept logic. Your thinking is that apparently God who made the entire universe apparently purposely left bad evidence, relies on anecdotal testimony, and languages that die out, and that this supreme being who wants everyone to follow him would not correct this mistake so that the people who actually want to follow him can do so without having to worry about whether or not he exists. And that somehow we have to trust this bad evidence even though we never believe anything based on bad evidence besides this, and if we don't accept this and refuse to question it we will be burned in eternal hell because your supreme lord didn't feel like using something other than a fucking book that has no physical or observable evidence and contains many contradictions.
I can understand why some are now classing religion as a mental disease. I wish I could be respectful, but you are crazy, and I can't think of any rational way to help you at this point. You are far too deluded.
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RE: Religion's affect outside of religion
September 28, 2015 at 6:40 pm
(September 28, 2015 at 3:57 pm)Drich Wrote: No. A believer has little need or room for faith. One believe, because he knows what the truth is. I don't need faith anymore, because I have been given opportunity to believe, and I took it. Belief differs from faith because belief is tangibly based acknoweledgement resulting in action of what one knows to be true. Faith is believeing without anything tangible to believe in, and acting on what they want to be true..
Knowing the truth is the supreme display of ignorance
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RE: Religion's affect outside of religion
September 28, 2015 at 6:51 pm
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RE: Religion's affect outside of religion
September 28, 2015 at 7:01 pm
(September 28, 2015 at 3:28 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: Where I draw the line (on agreement) is where you continue to claim, despite our best attempts to explain to you, why it's entirely possible to make value judgments despite being an "ontological naturalist"....I'm not sure why you persist in claiming that we cannot make "value judgments" unless we have a magical friend in the sky. And when have I ever argued for a magical friend in the sky? I'd like to see you find any post where I said that God was in the sky. To make a value judgement, someone must be able to identify the essential nature of something in order to determine the degree to which that something conforms to an ideal. Naturalism denies that anything has an essential nature.
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RE: Religion's affect outside of religion
September 28, 2015 at 7:02 pm
(September 28, 2015 at 6:40 pm)ApeNotKillApe Wrote: Knowing the truth is the supreme display of ignorance. Is that the truth?
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RE: Religion's affect outside of religion
September 28, 2015 at 7:04 pm
(September 28, 2015 at 7:02 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: (September 28, 2015 at 6:40 pm)ApeNotKillApe Wrote: Knowing the truth is the supreme display of ignorance. Is that the truth?
I don't know.
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RE: Religion's affect outside of religion
September 28, 2015 at 9:45 pm
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
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