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Evidence God Does Not Exist
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Evidence God Does Not Exist
Let me preface this post by saying that when I refer to ‘god’, I am referring to the Judeo-Christian-Islamic god, which is widely considered to be one and the same. There have been innumerable other deities worshipped throughout human history, but those are largely considered mythological, even by modern day believers. Some believers may claim that the Greek gods (and the others) were ancient man’s misinterpretation of the ‘true god’, but the stories are far too varied (even considering the plagiarism from one to the other) for that to be taken seriously… and so I dismiss that out of hand. Even if it were true, it would mean that the only god in question is the Judeo-Christian-Islamic god, which brings me back to my first line.

My evidence that god does not exist is the lack of demonstrable, empirical evidence that god does exist. How’s that? I’m glad you asked. Over the last few thousand years, mankind has been asking ‘how’ and ‘why’ about Life, the Universe, and Everything* and, so doing, has made multitudinous discoveries and collected a proverbial mountain of evidence that points to wholly natural answers.

None of that evidence, not one piece, has ever been shown to support the contention that god does exist. Furthermore, the evidence as a whole indicates that no god needs to exist. Therefore, ‘god does not exist’ is an entirely legitimate conclusion and, I contend, the only rational one in light of the sheer amount of evidence to be considered.

To quote Austin Cline**, "this alleged entity has no place in any scientific equations, plays no role in any scientific explanations, cannot be used to predict any events, does not describe any thing or force that has yet been detected, and there are no models of the universe in which its presence is either required, productive, or useful.

Nothing in science is proven or disproven beyond a shadow of any possible doubt. In science, everything is provisional. Being provisional is not a weakness or a sign that a conclusion is weak. Being provisional is a smart, pragmatic tactic because we can never be sure what we'll come across when we round the next corner. This lack of absolute certainty is a window through which many religious theists try to slip their god, but that's not a valid move."

There is more, but I will save that for my next thread, ‘Evidence God Does Not Exist: Part Two’. Just kidding. I won’t get into the stuff about the very source of the myth having been thoroughly debunked via fact checking, shown to be historically inaccurate, filled with contradictions, and was authored generations after the alleged events that it presents.


*I love Douglas Adams!
** Austin Cline’s Blog
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#2
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LOL @ faulty reasoning.
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Paul the Human Wrote:None of that evidence, not one piece, has ever been shown to support the contention that god does exist. Furthermore, the evidence as a whole indicates that no god needs to exist. Therefore, ‘god does not exist’ is an entirely legitimate conclusion and, I contend, the only rational one in light of the sheer amount of evidence to be considered.
Excellent point. Theists are always saying that you can't prove there isn't a god, but there is a huge amount of proof against the reality of that being, especially as detailed and defined as the Abrahamic god is, in all it's variations.
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Austin Cline Wrote:Nothing in science is proven or disproven beyond a shadow of any possible doubt. In science, everything is provisional. Being provisional is not a weakness or a sign that a conclusion is weak. Being provisional is a smart, pragmatic tactic because we can never be sure what we'll come across when we round the next corner. This lack of absolute certainty is a window through which many religious theists try to slip their god, but that's not a valid move.
Correction... Christian Scientists or the Scientific Religious. Purist theologians don't conflate theology and science. You FAIL! Tongue

To consider the problem scientifically, you would conclude that a non-temporal entity could have no empirical evidence... so any scientist researching such nonsense should be escorted to the nearest funny farm. IMHO.
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In case you didn't notice, this was more joke than not. I know that a lack of evidence does not equal evidence to the contrary. I was being over the top on purpose... for my own amusement. Heheh. And that quote isn't mine... so... "You FAIL!" is not accurate (this is where an emoticon would go). Unless you were actually addressing Austin Cline, in which case I feel I must inform you that he does not read these forums (so far as I know!).

And for the record, I don't think any real scientist has ever set out to find empirical evidence for or against the existence of god, because... as you say... that would just be loony. They have set out to find answers, though... and no evidence that god is the answer has ever surfaced. That is, in fact, true.
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Yes I was addressing Austin Cline. Yes It's true. And yes I feel stupid now Big Grin
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Funny thread. Made me laugh.
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(May 9, 2010 at 11:01 pm)AngelThMan Wrote: Funny thread. Made me laugh.

More importantly: did it make you think?

The structure of the 'argument' in Paul's parody is precisely the same as that of the 'argument' that you presented for God based on the lack of a full scientific understanding/ duplication of abiogenesis.

In both cases the 'argument' is fallacious. To be more precise, both 'arguments' are based on a propositional fallacy called denying the antecedent.

Perhaps you can now have some insight into your own foolishness.
He who desires to worship God must harbor no childish illusions about the matter but bravely renounce his liberty and humanity.
Mikhail Bakunin

A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything
Friedrich Nietzsche
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I must admit that while the original post was meant 'tongue in cheek', bits of it do truly express my thoughts. That 'proverbial mountain of evidence' that points to wholly natural answers to the questions of 'how' and 'why', as well as indicating that god is not necessary, is one of the things that supports my personal conclusion that there is no god (that part quoted by Scented Nectar). I simply took that and wrapped it in a silly argument about it being 'evidence that god does not exist'. <-- for those that didn't get it.

If there is anything to actually discuss in this thread, perhaps it is that. Although, from experience I know that theists tend to claim that those 'wholly natural answers' = 'god', so perhaps not. Heheh.
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The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.
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