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RE: Fucking Cops: Volume II
June 8, 2016 at 9:06 pm
(September 24, 2015 at 2:28 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Now, when the cops are being charged the "investigations" seem to take forfuckingever so maybe we should be looking at indictments from 2012-13 to see if anything is actually happening....but I suspect the author nails it here, when he notes:
I'm amazed there are even any investigations at all.
Let's assume for a moment that you have iron-clad proof of abuse by a police officer. Let's say you've got video footage and everything. So you file a complaint. First thing that happens is the case goes to the DA's office. The DA thinks, "Hm, let's see, I could piss off the people I depend on to do my job by investigating this complaint or I could curry favor with said people by throwing you under the bus and round filing your complaint. What should I do? Decisions, decisions. WHO did you say you were again?"
But let's just assume you've got a total sap for DA who's willing to risk his/her entire career for some nobody like your sorry ass just because it's the right thing to do.
Immediately, the police union circles the wagons around this bad apple and marches into the mayor's office to lay out the situation. Beyond the fact that the police union usually swings a heavy political bat in a local area, they can threaten the mayor with an unofficial strike. Oh sure, it's not legal for the police to go on strike but they can "feel demoralized" and "be afraid to do their jobs because we might get in trouble". No, we're not on strike or anything *wink wink*.
Total political shit storm ensues. So what's the mayor going to do? Is he going to go to bat for some nobody? Who did you say you were again? Or is he going to throw you under the bus to re-establish peace in the community? Maybe they will be some sort of Kabuki theater investigation to mollify the public if there's enough outrage. It's unlikely you'll get an indictment, never mind a trial, never mind a conviction.
Your only hope for prosecution of a bad cop is if there's enough of a stink that the feds enter the scene. We've seen that happen a lot. My guess is they have limited resources and don't like to ruffle local feathers in case they need a favor on down the road.
I don't know what the solution is. Who protects us from our protectors?
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RE: Fucking Cops: Volume II
June 8, 2016 at 9:08 pm
Fucking cops. Hmm. This seems kinda dry for a popcorn thread. I mean cop porn thread. 
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RE: Fucking Cops: Volume II
June 8, 2016 at 9:36 pm
Quote:Who protects us from our protectors?
That IS the problem.
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RE: Fucking Cops: Volume II
June 8, 2016 at 9:42 pm
(June 8, 2016 at 9:36 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Quote:Who protects us from our protectors?
That IS the problem.
A quote from James Madison I saw almost 30 years ago that I've never forgotten, "If men were angels, we would need no government. If government were run by angels, we would need no Constitution. The challenge is to create a government that can restrain our vices and then restrain itself."
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RE: Fucking Cops: Volume II
June 8, 2016 at 9:55 pm
(June 8, 2016 at 9:06 pm)YahwehIsTheWay Wrote: (September 24, 2015 at 2:28 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Now, when the cops are being charged the "investigations" seem to take forfuckingever so maybe we should be looking at indictments from 2012-13 to see if anything is actually happening....but I suspect the author nails it here, when he notes:
I'm amazed there are even any investigations at all.
Let's assume for a moment that you have iron-clad proof of abuse by a police officer. Let's say you've got video footage and everything. So you file a complaint. First thing that happens is the case goes to the DA's office. The DA thinks, "Hm, let's see, I could piss off the people I depend on to do my job by investigating this complaint or I could curry favor with said people by throwing you under the bus and round filing your complaint. What should I do? Decisions, decisions. WHO did you say you were again?"
But let's just assume you've got a total sap for DA who's willing to risk his/her entire career for some nobody like your sorry ass just because it's the right thing to do.
Immediately, the police union circles the wagons around this bad apple and marches into the mayor's office to lay out the situation. Beyond the fact that the police union usually swings a heavy political bat in a local area, they can threaten the mayor with an unofficial strike. Oh sure, it's not legal for the police to go on strike but they can "feel demoralized" and "be afraid to do their jobs because we might get in trouble". No, we're not on strike or anything *wink wink*.
Total political shit storm ensues. So what's the mayor going to do? Is he going to go to bat for some nobody? Who did you say you were again? Or is he going to throw you under the bus to re-establish peace in the community? Maybe they will be some sort of Kabuki theater investigation to mollify the public if there's enough outrage. It's unlikely you'll get an indictment, never mind a trial, never mind a conviction.
Your only hope for prosecution of a bad cop is if there's enough of a stink that the feds enter the scene. We've seen that happen a lot. My guess is they have limited resources and don't like to ruffle local feathers in case they need a favor on down the road.
I don't know what the solution is. Who protects us from our protectors?
What exactly is the dA's job supposed to be, then? If complaints go to them first, then I would assume it's their job to resolve it, and put away the criminal with a badge. so how can they get in trouble for doing their job?
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RE: Fucking Cops: Volume II
June 8, 2016 at 9:57 pm
The DA is supposed to speak for the "victims." The problem is, most of the bastards have too cozy a relationship with the local cops who they need to lie on the stand in order to get convictions. It makes for a serious conflict of interest when a cop just blows someone away for broken tail light.
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RE: Fucking Cops: Volume II
June 8, 2016 at 10:11 pm
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(June 8, 2016 at 9:55 pm)Chad32 Wrote: ... put away the criminal with a badge. so how can they get in trouble for doing their job?
They could be the next one blown away for a defective tail light. Would you prosecute?
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RE: Fucking Cops: Volume II
June 9, 2016 at 4:01 am
Did you hear about the gang of armed robbers prowling the Oklahoma highways? It's the Oklahoma Highway Patrol. When they pull people over they can take all of their cash and money on debit cards. So if you don't want to get robbed stay out of the whole State of Oklahoma because the cops are the robbers and they will leave you penniless.
http://www.news9.com/story/32168555/ohp-...of-a-crime
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RE: Fucking Cops: Volume II
June 9, 2016 at 5:38 am
(June 9, 2016 at 4:01 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Did you hear about the gang of armed robbers prowling the Oklahoma highways? It's the Oklahoma Highway Patrol. When they pull people over they can take all of their cash and money on debit cards. So if you don't want to get robbed stay out of the whole State of Oklahoma because the cops are the robbers and they will leave you penniless.
http://www.news9.com/story/32168555/ohp-...of-a-crime
You yanks have some fucked up cops. 
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RE: Fucking Cops: Volume II
June 9, 2016 at 9:00 am
Yes, we need to clean the whole system out.
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