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Absolute Truth (I know, but I need some help)
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RE: Absolute Truth (I know, but I need some help)
(September 28, 2015 at 4:55 pm)Spacetime Wrote: HA!  Awesome replies!  Thanks.  I tip my hat.... I should have clarified, so thanks for calling me on it.

Truth ...in terms of "that which comports with reality" (please exclude hard solipsism for the sake of discussion).

Absolute ...in it's modern definition of being complete and undiminished.

Here's an absolute truth:  Water is wet.
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#42
RE: Absolute Truth (I know, but I need some help)
Here's another absolute truth: Even though you can walk on the Earth you can't walk on the Sun.
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#43
RE: Absolute Truth (I know, but I need some help)
Here's another absolute truth: All animals crap. So if you ever find any space alien crap chances are there's a space alien nearby. So be on guard.
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#44
RE: Absolute Truth (I know, but I need some help)
(September 29, 2015 at 6:12 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Here's another absolute truth:  Even though you can walk on the Earth you can't walk on the Sun.

That's kind of a Lapalissade, a form of truism, and wouldn't be much use in a debate setting, I think.
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I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.

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#45
RE: Absolute Truth (I know, but I need some help)
One man's entertainment is another man's cruel and unusual punishment. Cannot even make such an assessment in a non-axiomatic system. Undecided

(September 29, 2015 at 6:09 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:
(September 28, 2015 at 4:55 pm)Spacetime Wrote: HA!  Awesome replies!  Thanks.  I tip my hat.... I should have clarified, so thanks for calling me on it.

Truth ...in terms of "that which comports with reality" (please exclude hard solipsism for the sake of discussion).

Absolute ...in it's modern definition of being complete and undiminished.

Here's an absolute truth:  Water is wet.

Until a hydrophobic surfactant is applied.

(September 29, 2015 at 6:12 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Here's another absolute truth:  Even though you can walk on the Earth you can't walk on the Sun.

Unless I can't walk.
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#46
RE: Absolute Truth (I know, but I need some help)
(September 29, 2015 at 6:09 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:
(September 28, 2015 at 4:55 pm)Spacetime Wrote: HA!  Awesome replies!  Thanks.  I tip my hat.... I should have clarified, so thanks for calling me on it.

Truth ...in terms of "that which comports with reality" (please exclude hard solipsism for the sake of discussion).

Absolute ...in it's modern definition of being complete and undiminished.

Here's an absolute truth:  Water is wet.
[font=Arial][size=medium]The definition of wet is something that is covered in water. If you have an isolated water molecule, the molecule itself it not wet, and, therefore water, as a molecule, is not wet.

Then again it's all semantics
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#47
RE: Absolute Truth (I know, but I need some help)
(September 29, 2015 at 6:07 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: What do you think are some of things that constitute absolute truth?

The closest thing that I can see as being "absolute truth" (undiminished, complete, independent / which also comport with reality) are logical truths. (Wiki) "A logical truth is a statement which is true, and remains true under all reinterpretations of its components other than its logical constants."

If I'm wrong, please tear that shit apart, so I can be corrected.
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#48
RE: Absolute Truth (I know, but I need some help)
(September 29, 2015 at 6:39 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote:
(September 29, 2015 at 6:09 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Here's an absolute truth:  Water is wet.
[font=Arial][size=medium]The definition of wet is something that is covered in water. If you have an isolated water molecule, the molecule itself it not wet, and, therefore water, as a molecule, is not wet.

Then again it's all semantics
Then again, a bucket of water isn't wet in itself. As an ex dry cleaner, the solvents used to wash the garments didn't wet the textiles at all...
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#49
RE: Absolute Truth (I know, but I need some help)
(September 29, 2015 at 8:26 pm)Spacetime Wrote:
(September 29, 2015 at 6:07 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: What do you think are some of things that constitute absolute truth?

The closest thing that I can see as being "absolute truth" (undiminished, complete, independent / which also comport with reality) are logical truths.  (Wiki) "A logical truth is a statement which is true, and remains true under all reinterpretations of its components other than its logical constants."

If I'm wrong, please tear that shit apart, so I can be corrected.

"I think, therefore I am."
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#50
RE: Absolute Truth (I know, but I need some help)
(September 29, 2015 at 6:39 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote:
(September 29, 2015 at 6:09 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Here's an absolute truth:  Water is wet.
[font=Arial][size=medium]The definition of wet is something that is covered in water. If you have an isolated water molecule, the molecule itself it not wet, and, therefore water, as a molecule, is not wet.

Then again it's all semantics

Do you realize that you are in water right now?
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