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RE: What the bible says Hell is like
October 10, 2015 at 1:16 pm
I'm wondering - though not even slightly seriously - what these worms ate before there were any 'sinners' on which to feed. Which raises another interesting question for our Daniel to ignore - did his god invent the concept of sin as a way of feeding the worms?
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: What the bible says Hell is like
October 10, 2015 at 1:30 pm
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(October 10, 2015 at 1:16 pm)Stimbo Wrote: I'm wondering - though not even slightly seriously - what these worms ate before there were any 'sinners' on which to feed. Which raises another interesting question for our Daniel to ignore - did his god invent the concept of sin as a way of feeding the worms?
That's what I meant by "ecosystem". Clearly, they could not be there just as parasites on human flesh... so what does the rest of the food chain look like? Are there plants? Is there dirt, or is Doc right and they just live right in the lava? Is it based on sulfur-reducing lithotrophs, a la the ocean thermal-vent ecosystems? Inquiring minds want to know!
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
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RE: What the bible says Hell is like
October 10, 2015 at 1:43 pm
(October 10, 2015 at 1:30 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: (October 10, 2015 at 1:16 pm)Stimbo Wrote: I'm wondering - though not even slightly seriously - what these worms ate before there were any 'sinners' on which to feed. Which raises another interesting question for our Daniel to ignore - did his god invent the concept of sin as a way of feeding the worms?
That's what I meant by "ecosystem". Clearly, they could not be there just as parasites on human flesh... so what does the rest of the food chain look like? Are there plants? Is there dirt, or is Doc right and they just live right in the lava? Is it based on sulfur-reducing lithotrophs, a la the ocean thermal-vent ecosystems? Inquiring minds want to know!
Hey, when you can just appeal to the magical powers of a Great Cosmic Wizard, why would you need to explain anything?
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RE: What the bible says Hell is like
October 10, 2015 at 3:11 pm
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(October 10, 2015 at 5:26 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: (October 9, 2015 at 10:10 pm)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: based on that, you know nothing about Christianity lol
This is the magic of Christianity. They have so many versions of their faith that, no matter what we say about the faith, it's bound to be wrong on some level of their doctrine, which allows them to claim we're just confused. Even if we're actually describing it correctly, but in sarcastic tones they don't like, they'll often say we "know nothing" because we failed to give it the deference they think it deserves.
It's kind of amazing. Danny here doesn't realize that we talk to jerks like him literally every day, year after year, all eager to tell us why and how The One True Religion™ works, and despite constant lecturing of this annoying, asinine sort, and literally hundreds of discussions about points of doctrine (none of which fully agree, I grant, but we do discuss them), they still think we don't know their religion.
There are just no words, to me, for that kind of ignorant arrogance.
You know why we use funny descriptions of your beliefs, Daniel? Because the real truth, according to your mythology, is that the God whom you say created everything and thus set up the entire premise for how the universe operates created conditions of social behavior which will cause us to be tortured the moment we have real evidence (see for ourselves after death) if we don't accept a story about a blood sacrifice made to appease his vengeance over these conditions he made. He had no problem showing proof to Doubting Thomas, in the story, while Thomas was still living. He had no problem proving himself to the disciples. Yet this same story alleges that we must take the disciples' word for it, on pain of torture in the system your deity allegedly created, instead of just dying peacefully. This is a loving god?
Get the fuck out of here with that crazy shit.
why don't you ask Jesus to show Himself. Pray from the heart.
(October 10, 2015 at 1:16 pm)Stimbo Wrote: I'm wondering - though not even slightly seriously - what these worms ate before there were any 'sinners' on which to feed. Which raises another interesting question for our Daniel to ignore - did his god invent the concept of sin as a way of feeding the worms?
no its a form of torment
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RE: What the bible says Hell is like
October 10, 2015 at 3:22 pm
(October 10, 2015 at 3:11 pm)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: (October 10, 2015 at 5:26 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: This is the magic of Christianity. They have so many versions of their faith that, no matter what we say about the faith, it's bound to be wrong on some level of their doctrine, which allows them to claim we're just confused. Even if we're actually describing it correctly, but in sarcastic tones they don't like, they'll often say we "know nothing" because we failed to give it the deference they think it deserves.
It's kind of amazing. Danny here doesn't realize that we talk to jerks like him literally every day, year after year, all eager to tell us why and how The One True Religion™ works, and despite constant lecturing of this annoying, asinine sort, and literally hundreds of discussions about points of doctrine (none of which fully agree, I grant, but we do discuss them), they still think we don't know their religion.
There are just no words, to me, for that kind of ignorant arrogance.
You know why we use funny descriptions of your beliefs, Daniel? Because the real truth, according to your mythology, is that the God whom you say created everything and thus set up the entire premise for how the universe operates created conditions of social behavior which will cause us to be tortured the moment we have real evidence (see for ourselves after death) if we don't accept a story about a blood sacrifice made to appease his vengeance over these conditions he made. He had no problem showing proof to Doubting Thomas, in the story, while Thomas was still living. He had no problem proving himself to the disciples. Yet this same story alleges that we must take the disciples' word for it, on pain of torture in the system your deity allegedly created, instead of just dying peacefully. This is a loving god?
Get the fuck out of here with that crazy shit.
why don't you ask Jesus to show Himself. Pray from the heart.
You mean, like I did about a thousand times when I was still a Christian, before I gave up the faith?
Come on, man!
And don't feed me any of your woo about "was never really a Christian", either. I'm so sick of hearing that idiotic lie. It's not only wrong, it's mean-spirited and should be beneath you Christian types... but clearly it's not, since I hear it almost every time I mention I'm an ex-Christian.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
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RE: What the bible says Hell is like
October 10, 2015 at 3:36 pm
Quote:no its a form of torment
Until you can demonstrate the reality of your assertions and how you know them, I don't care.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: What the bible says Hell is like
October 10, 2015 at 3:39 pm
(October 10, 2015 at 3:22 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: (October 10, 2015 at 3:11 pm)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: why don't you ask Jesus to show Himself. Pray from the heart.
You mean, like I did about a thousand times when I was still a Christian, before I gave up the faith?
Come on, man!
And don't feed me any of your woo about "was never really a Christian", either. I'm so sick of hearing that idiotic lie. It's not only wrong, it's mean-spirited and should be beneath you Christian types... but clearly it's not, since I hear it almost every time I mention I'm an ex-Christian.
if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
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RE: What the bible says Hell is like
October 10, 2015 at 3:39 pm
(October 10, 2015 at 3:22 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: You mean, like I did about a thousand times when I was still a Christian, before I gave up the faith?
Come on, man!
And don't feed me any of your woo about "was never really a Christian", either. I'm so sick of hearing that idiotic lie. It's not only wrong, it's mean-spirited and should be beneath you Christian types... but clearly it's not, since I hear it almost every time I mention I'm an ex-Christian.
I'm waiting for when he'll ask you if you ever knew Jesus then.
Because, you know, Daniel sure has talked to him, had dinner together, made out, and gone to the movies with each other.
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RE: What the bible says Hell is like
October 10, 2015 at 3:42 pm
(October 10, 2015 at 3:36 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Quote:no its a form of torment
Until you can demonstrate the reality of your assertions and how you know them, I don't care.
kk
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RE: What the bible says Hell is like
October 10, 2015 at 3:44 pm
(October 10, 2015 at 3:39 pm)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: (October 10, 2015 at 3:22 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: You mean, like I did about a thousand times when I was still a Christian, before I gave up the faith?
Come on, man!
And don't feed me any of your woo about "was never really a Christian", either. I'm so sick of hearing that idiotic lie. It's not only wrong, it's mean-spirited and should be beneath you Christian types... but clearly it's not, since I hear it almost every time I mention I'm an ex-Christian.
if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
Lots of Christians disagree with you on this. And I bet even you actually contradict that with how you "live your life for Jesus".
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