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Free Will
#61
RE: Free Will
(October 15, 2015 at 3:49 pm)Nestor Wrote: The situation will be probably handled differently if we view the person as a thinking self with knowledge of right and wrong, as opposed to Sam Harris' conception of mental events as being akin to weather patterns, when he says that "there's no longer a place to lay emotional blame. It would be like blaming a hurricane for its bad behavior."


I wish someone would have asked him about this in the question and answer period, particularly instead of a couple of the really lame questions.

On the other hand, I was unimpressed with how he responded to the question about love.  He does not seem to keep his story straight, as he seems to think it appropriate to still love some people, but that we should stop hating people because they cannot help being bad.  People not being able to help what they are should apply equally to both.  So he seems to be quite inconsistent in his stance.

"A wise man ... proportions his belief to the evidence."
— David Hume, An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding, Section X, Part I.
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#62
RE: Free Will
I don't agree. He has explained before that it leaves room open for love but not hate and agree with him.

Ultimate moral responsibility is not a requirement for love.

I can feel lover for animals outside the human race and they're not morally responsible

I can feel love for babies and children before the age of reason, and they aren't fully morally responsible.

I can feel love for severely mentally handicapped people and they aren't fully morally responsible.

I could never bring myself to hate any of these groups of individuals.

It absolutely leaves room for love, but not for hate. Sam Harris' reasoning skills are wonderful.
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#63
RE: Free Will


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#64
RE: Free Will
Indeed our emotions are like a hurricane Heart
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#65
RE: Free Will
(October 15, 2015 at 5:59 pm)Evie Wrote: I don't agree. He has explained before that it leaves room open for love but not hate and agree with him.

Ultimate moral responsibility is not a requirement for love.

I can feel lover for animals outside the human race and they're not morally responsible

I can feel love for babies and children before the age of reason, and they aren't fully morally responsible.

I can feel love for severely mentally handicapped people and they aren't fully morally responsible.

I could never bring myself to hate any of these groups of individuals.

It absolutely leaves room for love, but not for hate. Sam Harris' reasoning skills are wonderful.
I'm sure the good 'ol church boys were proclaiming love the sinner but not the sin as the fire melted the heretic's flesh too.
He who loves God cannot endeavour that God should love him in return - Baruch Spinoza
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#66
RE: Free Will
They can proclaim it all they want but that doesn't make it truly compassionate/loving.
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#67
RE: Free Will
(October 15, 2015 at 5:59 pm)Evie Wrote: I don't agree. He has explained before that it leaves room open for love but not hate and agree with him.

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What is the explanation of that?  Since you agree with him, presumably you know what it was he said about this.

"A wise man ... proportions his belief to the evidence."
— David Hume, An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding, Section X, Part I.
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