What are the evidence for no god?

[Spooky]

BTW...blondie, what you've done is the equivalent of tying a bunch of chicken carcasses to yourself and jumping into a pool of alligators...and wondering why the alligators are eating you.

Psst...James 1:12 only works if you didn't go looking for trouble.

[Crossless2.0]

I don't care. Answer the question which is an Ape Embryo and which is the Human one.  Come on McTroll it should be obvious.

Ok. I have no problem.  The picture with the 2 mm on it is the human embryo while the other one is an ape embryo.  So what is your point?  They look similar.  That is not rocket science either. 

Now what I would like to know exactly is where are the bones or fossils of the common ancestor of human and ape?  Why haven't they been found?  This should not be that hard of a question for you.

Do searches for Nsungwepithecus gunnelli and Rukwapithecus fleaglei. These are species that became known through fossil finds in the last five years and are among the oldest fossils we have for the split between Old World monkeys and the great ape lineage.

[Blondie]

Blondie, I'm sorry I've been away for a moment; I had to go run some errands. Back, now. With food!

My major was also pre-med biology with a minor in chemistry (and a second minor in history). I went on to a year of a Master's program in viral genetics, but had to drop out to get a "real" job, since I was supporting myself and the stipend just didn't keep up.

However, our classes seem to have taught very different things! What I learned in Invertebrate Zoology and Comparative Anatomy alone taught me enough to recognize that all animal life on earth shares common ancestry, let alone my courses in genetics and biochem.

Again, I want to reiterate what I said in my previous post; I think you're the victim of some malicious programming by people with a religious agenda no less sinister than that of the ultra-nationalist Zionists in Tel Aviv, or the Imams of Mecca. The reason I am taking the time to explain these things to you is because I think you are telling the truth, and you are honest enough to consider elements you may never have looked at closely, before. I also want to repeat what I said before, when I pointed out that my fiancee is still Christian who is currently teaching her Sunday School class, and also a working geneticist.

Finally, I want to point out that few of us left because we were angry at something in our church. I was angry to learn that I had been systematically lied to, yes, but my experience in the church was wonderful. I knew lots of great people, got to have a lot of amazing experiences as a result (yes, even Cross Lanes Baptist Church), especially with the Louisiana All-State Baptist Youth Choir. No one was mean to me, I never felt excluded, and my whole family remain churchgoers except for my two siblings (sister converted to Paganism and my brother became an "Ijustdontgiveafuckist", as he puts it, and he married an atheist whom I loathe). The only issue was that I grew up without a television, and so I read a LOT of books, and managed to pick up enough science that I could spot the mistakes preached to us by a Creationist evangelist who came to speak at our church. When I asked questions to clarify, I was told that "man's knowledge" was suspect, and I should "just believe". This was utterly the WRONG thing to say to me. I looked into it more deeply, and realized this version makes a LOT more sense... and I understood why it was so important for the church leaders to keep us in the dark without us realizing we were being kept in the dark. If someone has to teach you to fear knowledge or treat education as suspect, it's a good bet you're in a cult.

When you repeat the common slander spoken to us almost every day here (and often in real life), that we must have a reason for disbelief (such as sin or willfulness) other than "that belief appears to be totally wrong to me", it comes across as bigotry, and people who have prejudiced things said to them tend to react fairly bitterly. Can you grasp why that would be so in any community?

It may not be fair to characterize your words as bigotry, as you seem to me to be a nice, well-intentioned (but misled) person... but that's like telling an African American that even though you're in a white advocacy group, you're not like the extremist White Supremacists, and you really meant "darkie" in the best way possible! See?

Thanks RocketSurgeon. I had to drop out also.  I did not get as far as you did in this field.  Yes that was definitely the wrong thing to say. A real scientist whether Creationists or Evolutionists would explain things and be open to your questions which in this case was a Creationist.  To my knowledge, I don't think I was part of a cult.  I never feared knowledge. I said in a previous comment that knowledge is power. When I first learned about evolution, I completely dismissed it entirely because the Bible said that we were made in His Own Image.  Given what the average human looks like today, that God looks like the monkey.  So given this I just kept my mouth shut, learned what I had to learn to pass the stupid test.  Maybe it was out of sheer ignorance, stupidity, or I saw it as the bullcrap that it was in my opinion then or maybe now. 

It can come across as bigotry just like the teaching of homosexuality.  I am guilty of reacting bitterly toward people on prejudice things. I think that is part of human nature after you have been showed prejudice for way too long.  Eventually it just builds up and it is sometimes a stumbling block that people just can't seem to get over.  Then you become bitter over the unkindness or whatever of others. So yes I get the concept and what you are saying.

I will admit that I did sign of for this site stupidly as it was in the very early morning hours.  Since I am here now, I am going to either learn something or re-learn something that I should have gotten in education by not paying attention.  I did not care for school back in my younger days, but now there is more information out here now as opposed to then.  We will see what happens.

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BTW...blondie, what you've done is the equivalent of tying a bunch of chicken carcasses to yourself and jumping into a pool of alligators...and wondering why the alligators are eating you.

Psst...James 1:12 only works if you didn't go looking for trouble.

Enough already with the stupid crap.  Unlike many people in this world, if I dish it out, then I can take it.  If you dish it out to me, I am a big girl who can take it.  Either give me something to prove a point you want to make or shut that mouth of yours up.

[Spooky]

BTW...blondie, what you've done is the equivalent of tying a bunch of chicken carcasses to yourself and jumping into a pool of alligators...and wondering why the alligators are eating you.

Psst...James 1:12 only works if you didn't go looking for trouble.

Enough already with the stupid crap.  Unlike many people in this world, if I dish it out, then I can take it.  If you dish it out to me, I am a big girl who can take it.  Either give me something to prove a point you want to make or shut that mouth of yours up.

Interesting, just a few moments ago you were whining about free speech or some other such nonsense.

Give you something to prove a point?  Why the hell would I do the work for you?  So far you've proven absolutely nothing.  

How about this big girl...Give me something new or interesting.  I dare you, wow me.

EDIT:  My point is that you're pointless.  I thought that was obvious 

[Blondie]

Now the question becomes: Who told you our ancestors haven't been found, and why would they want you to think that?

I have never heard that they actually have found bones or fossils that actually so there is a link between apes and humans.  Neanderthals just don't provide enough evidence for me to accept macro-evolution as they look too similar to humans today. Someone on this site told me to do searches on Nsungwepithecus gunnelli and Rukwapithecus fleaglei.  So I guess this would be a good place to start.

[Rhondazvous]

Now what I would like to know exactly is where are the bones or fossils of the common ancestor of human and ape?  Why haven't they been found?  This should not be that hard of a question for you.

As has been repeatedly pointed out to you and which you continually ignore, is that they have been found.

Like so many other Christians, she's a day late and probably a dollar short, too. Can't afford to pay attention.

[Blondie]

Enough already with the stupid crap.  Unlike many people in this world, if I dish it out, then I can take it.  If you dish it out to me, I am a big girl who can take it.  Either give me something to prove a point you want to make or shut that mouth of yours up.

Interesting, just a few moments ago you were whining about free speech or some other such nonsense.

Give you something to prove a point?  Why the hell would I do the work for you?  So far you've proven absolutely nothing.  

How about this big girl...Give me something new or interesting.  I dare you, wow me.

EDIT:  My point is that you're pointless.  I thought that was obvious 

Right along with you.

[abaris]

Either give me something to prove a point you want to make or shut that mouth of yours up.

We did nothing but. You on the other hand are doing the common christian tap dance. Dodge, dodge, dodge some more and sneak a little bit of preaching and apologist/creationist bullshit in.

And, btw, I find it rather rich to barge in here and demand to shut our mouths. I try to remember that when the next invitation to some event comes up. I'm sure, telling the host to shut up will work like a charm.

[Spooky]

Interesting, just a few moments ago you were whining about free speech or some other such nonsense.

Give you something to prove a point?  Why the hell would I do the work for you?  So far you've proven absolutely nothing.  

How about this big girl...Give me something new or interesting.  I dare you, wow me.

EDIT:  My point is that you're pointless.  I thought that was obvious 

Right along with you.

You have failed to wow me.  My goal is enjoy myself today.  In that I'll succeed, with or without you.  I do not need a point as I have nothing to prove, you do.  

Fight against your irrelevance, your agony sustains me.

[robvalue]

There seems to be a huge misconception among some theists that either the theory of evolution is true, or else creationism is true and God exists.

Not the case at all. If the theory of evolution was proven to be wrong, we would then have an absence of an efficient model for a time. Scientists would either reform hypotheses based on the current ones to try and take into account the new information, or (drastic and unlikely) form entirely new hypotheses from scratch. They would then test and retest these, until a new stable and reliable model was agreed upon.

What they would not do is say, "Oh well, we can't explain it with science at the moment, so it was done by magic, by a god." That's just absolutely ridiculous, it's no explanation at all. It's giving up on reality and telling stories instead.

I doubt there's a single atheist on this site who would automatically believe in God (let alone worship it also) just because a scientific theory was proved to be wrong. God is irrelevant, because it's not even a hypothesis. It's a fairy tale, until such time as it can be defined and made testable.