Proof for being an atheist

[jenny1972]

no you do not have to blindly follow everything about your religion ... religion goes wrong and becomes corrupted . why couldnt the hadiths be corrupted ? inspired by the devil to create fighting and division ?

you admit that you cant determine the hadiths with certainty yet your fighting and killing over them ???! seriously ?  a bum off the street couldve written that one you have no idea who wrote it or what kind of relationship that person had to God or the devil . it certainly has caused a lot of human death and has caused people to go against the Quran and be divided that one right?

No one is saying to blindly follow anything. However there is a study of tawatur (well established hadiths), and hadiths often given insights and vision and are a light.

Hadiths obviously have been corrupted but not all hadiths. Hadiths are still of value, even though many of them are corrupted.

well i think the hadith that created Sunni and Shiite division is one of the corrupted hadiths that is not from God since it has caused so much human suffering and sin ( such as killing people and many other related sins that come from war ) but i understand there is a lot of social pressure to remain in your religion and believe as those around you believe sometimes the internet is a good way to share ideas with other people  change comes slowly

[The Valkyrie]

Every day I read something new, and every day I like Jenny more and more.

Good debating there, Jenny!

[Mystic]

No one is saying to blindly follow anything. However there is a study of tawatur (well established hadiths), and hadiths often given insights and vision and are a light.

Hadiths obviously have been corrupted but not all hadiths. Hadiths are still of value, even though many of them are corrupted.

well i think the hadith that created Sunni and Shiite division is one of the corrupted hadiths that is not from God since it has caused so much human suffering and sin ( such as killing people and many other related sins that come from war ) but i understand there is a lot of social pressure to remain in your religion and believe as those around you believe sometimes the internet is a good way to share ideas with other people  change comes slowly

I was believer in God without religion for about 5 years. It's only been about a year I've became Muslim again.

If I didn't believe in the specific Islam, I would still believe some where on this earth, there is a person who is guided by God and guides others,  even if there is no present religion centered around him.

In other words, the rational that there is guidance and a Guide to be is unquestionable now. But the manifestation and emphasis on the guide, makes sense to me through revelation and Prophethood of a Prophet. And the safeguarding and continuation of the leadership of such a Prophet makes sense.

The fact that God is not sending Prophets with miracles in this day and age, tells me, there must be standing proof for a Prophet in the past. And I don't see any religion arguing for a miracle that stands and the book emphasizes on aside from the eloquence and sublime uniqueness of the Quran, and it's height in literature, and it's challenge to all humanity to bring a Surah like it.

Aside from that, some wonders have opened up about Suratal Fatiha and why it's been called the 7 mathani, and it's relationship to Islam, Quran, and Ahlulbayt (Mohammad, Ali, Fatima, Hassan and Hussain and the 9 Imams from the offspring of Hussain)

The thing is the Quran explains the shia-sunni issue clearly. The hadiths just fill in the details (ie. the names of the Successors) and emphasized on it clearly (as in the case of ghadeer declaration).

This year there is somethings that have opened to me that is hard to put into words.

[Losty]

But are you really Muslim, or are you just saying that because you're angry at no-god?

[Mystic]

But are you really Muslim, or are you just saying that because you're angry at no-god?

Does it matter to you?

[Losty]

But are you really Muslim, or are you just saying that because you're angry at no-god?

Does it matter to you?

It matters to the extent that I am interested in knowing the answer. I'm certainly not attempting to convert you to a life of worshiping no-god because if you don't... nothing bad will happen to you.

[Mystic]

It matters to the extent that I am interested in knowing the answer. 

Why are you interested to the extent you are? And how do you know nothing bad will happen to me?

[Losty]

It matters to the extent that I am interested in knowing the answer. 

Why are you interested to the extent you are? And how do you know nothing bad will happen to me?

I only mean that no-god will not punish you for not worshipping his non existent self.

And I am interested just... well just because I am. It's all good you don't have to answer the question.

[Edwardo Piet]

No God... yesh No-God is king:

Atheos:

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E1%BC%84...E%BF%CF%82

[Mystic]

Why are you interested to the extent you are? And how do you know nothing bad will happen to me?

I only mean that no-god will not punish you for not worshipping his non existent self.

And I am interested just... well just because I am. It's all good you don't have to answer the question.

And what if human mind is hardwired to believe in praise/value/morality is all spiritual and linked to a Creator and higher power?  What if the belief in free-will requires us to believe in a soul? What if believe in a perpetual identity has been hardwired with a belief in a soul? 

Should we be doubting we are a perpetual identity, or that any of our actions are praiseworthy or of value or that we are of value, or what if it seems that all these are delusions with the no god?

What then? Go insane - or live without these beliefs in some sort of miracle fashion?