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RE: Proof for being an atheist
October 20, 2015 at 10:21 pm
You can prove your belief in god but cannot prove that there is a god that's it let's move on religion is you know holding advancement back.
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RE: Proof for being an atheist
October 20, 2015 at 10:22 pm
(October 20, 2015 at 9:48 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: (October 20, 2015 at 9:45 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote: Kind of like how you don't believe in FSM but at the same time you do. 
Show me a forum devoted to people "without belief in FSM" and get together to reassure themselves they are rational and that there is no proofs of FSM and no basis to faith in FSM. Go ahead. I'm waiting. Then you might have an argument.
So me a man rushing into an office with a ak47 because you insulted the FSM then we can compare.
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Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
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That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
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RE: Proof for being an atheist
October 20, 2015 at 10:26 pm
(This post was last modified: October 20, 2015 at 10:30 pm by TheRocketSurgeon.)
(October 20, 2015 at 10:09 pm)Blondie Wrote: I think what the question really was is why you guys are atheists because no one is born with automatic knowledge or a particular set of beliefs. A person of faith does wonder what the decision is based on. Kinda like a psychology question on upbringing to reasoning. Is it that there is just simply know proof or you just don't know? Sometimes people of a particular faith do wonder about why the rejection thereof and I think that is why you guys get alot of these types of questions because of the curiosity of no belief in something more powerful than the human race. I have honestly wondered that myself throughout my life. I just never really had a chance to ask a true atheist those questions. Before I just ran into this site, I did not know that there was a difference in the atheist views like agnostic versus the other. I thought all atheists believe in no God or gods at all which could be over-generalizing the veiw. I also know that people sometimes troll the site to push religion down a person's own throat or on a group of people. That is the last thing anyone wants from another individual. It can also be a touchy subject for some people.
A better question to ask is, "Why is almost everyone who is raised in Saudi Arabia going to become convinced that Allah is God? And why is almost everyone who is raised in the United States going to become convinced that Yahweh/Jehovah/Jesus is God?"
We are all born without a religious program installed on the computer of our brains. There is some evidence that a common tendency toward religious sentiment may be genetic, but that's a different issue, having a lot to do with how we see patterns and answer questions about the world based on our social and pattern-seeking hardware, based on tribal hunter-gatherer evolution. At some point, the cultural program becomes installed on our brain, sometimes in little details we pick up (this is why installing religious symbols everywhere is so important to Believers, like crosses on the highway and trying to have leaders we respect lead us or our children in prayer) or in the teachings of our family traditions, and voila, the person is a Believer in The Truth™.
We are not atheists because we're mad at the efforts I just described. We're atheists because our brains reject the programming of our culture, since we can clearly see that in every other culture it is also just programming... if you think about it, you also believe that in Saudi Arabia it's just programming. You just look the other way for the "local" version of the same thing.
(Edit: Oops, forgot a clause in my either/or.)
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
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RE: Proof for being an atheist
October 20, 2015 at 10:27 pm
(October 20, 2015 at 10:01 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: (October 20, 2015 at 9:52 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Then what you think is wrong; plain and simple.
The same is true of many Sunnis. They are very well believe that Ali is the rightful successor, but instead of submitting, they oppose the people of submission to God's path.
why are you sunnis and shiites divided in the first place ? didnt the Quran speak against doing that ?
Al Imran verse 103 : And hold fast all together by the rope which Allah (stretches out for you) and be not divided among yourselves; and remember with gratitude Allah's favor on you; for ye were enemies and He joined your hearts in love so that by His grace ye became brethren; and ye were on the brink of the pit of fire and He saved you from it. Thus doth Allah make his signs clear to you: that ye may be guided.
well another religious person throwing their own Bible out the window and doing whatever they want ... go get in line its over there -------->
Imagine there's no heaven It's easy if you try No hell below us Above us only sky Imagine all the people Living for today Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too Imagine all the people Living life in peace You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you will join us And the world will be as one - John Lennon
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RE: Proof for being an atheist
October 20, 2015 at 10:28 pm
(October 20, 2015 at 9:48 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: (October 20, 2015 at 9:45 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote: Kind of like how you don't believe in FSM but at the same time you do.
Show me a forum devoted to people "without belief in FSM" and get together to reassure themselves they are rational and that there is no proofs of FSM and no basis to faith in FSM. Go ahead. I'm waiting. Then you might have an argument.
If I was really living in a culture surrounded by people who really believed in the FSM, who tried to get statues of pirates put up everywhere and told me how I was allowed to boil my noodles on Fridays, yeah, I'd join an anti-FSM forum. Or rather, the FSM would be the primary flame-topic in here, since the atheism page wouldn't change, only which god(s) annoyed us the most.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
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RE: Proof for being an atheist
October 20, 2015 at 10:30 pm
I'll try to figure out how to prove to you that I don't believe in God JK.... right after I prove to you that I haven't believed in Santa Claus since I was a small child.
I haven't worked out how to prove I don't believe in Santa Claus yet... when I work that one out I'll give you proof of my atheism 
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RE: Proof for being an atheist
October 20, 2015 at 10:34 pm
It is quite easy to work out how to prove one does not believe in something.
If there is no evidence to support the existence of something, after thousands of years of human existence whereby we could have possibly found some sort of evidence, then it is more logical to believe, understand, and know that what is being questioned does not exist anywhere except in the minds of men. Should evidence surface, however, then the mind can be changed readily and logically.
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RE: Proof for being an atheist
October 20, 2015 at 10:36 pm
(October 20, 2015 at 10:27 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: (October 20, 2015 at 10:01 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: The same is true of many Sunnis. They are very well believe that Ali is the rightful successor, but instead of submitting, they oppose the people of submission to God's path.
why are you sunnis and shiites divided in the first place ? didnt the Quran speak against doing that ?
Al Imran verse 103 : And hold fast all together by the rope which Allah (stretches out for you) and be not divided among yourselves; and remember with gratitude Allah's favor on you; for ye were enemies and He joined your hearts in love so that by His grace ye became brethren; and ye were on the brink of the pit of fire and He saved you from it. Thus doth Allah make his signs clear to you: that ye may be guided.
well another religious person throwing their own Bible out the window and doing whatever they want ... go get in line its over there -------->
Why don't you read the whole Surah to understand what it means to hold on to the rope of God and not be divided. For example, if you lived during Yahya, would you stick to the majority of people who don't follow him or would you stick to the community that follows him as he is part of the path of submission to God?
It's the same with divinely appointed leaders after, sticking to them is holding on to the rope of God (the book and divine guides). The Quran emphasizes majority of the people of book were disgraced except through the a rope from God and rope from humans.
The Quran emphasizes in context of emphasizing of the family of Ibrahim, their divine authority, and the eternal consequences of turning away from it, to obey God and to obey the Messenger and those who possess the authority from us.
It's clear enough for sincere people wanting to know the truth. People wanting to stick to their religion they are born with, that's a whole different story.
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RE: Proof for being an atheist
October 20, 2015 at 10:41 pm
(October 20, 2015 at 10:21 pm)dyresand Wrote: You can prove your belief in god but cannot prove that there is a god that's it let's move on religion is you know holding advancement back.
I did say at the beginning, I could. I will admit I made an ignorant statement or claim. No one person can prove belief in God unless the words of an individual's experience is taken at face value like science is taken by the mainstream scientific community. This also can be done by any religion if you believe there is something more to life than just being born and dying which is the end which I know most of the community of this forum doesn't from what I can tell. On some religions, it does hold back advancement. Others, not so much so. Like me, yes I was brought up in church. Now, my views on things could be completely different on the scientific community than the mainstream faith such as I don't have a problem going to the doctor and taking antibiotics when I need it, but there is one particular faith who is against going to a physician at all. I can't think of the name of it right off hand. I think this is completely insane and on this I think most of the community would agree with me on that statement by what you stated. I do support advancement regardless of what my personal beliefs are. If science can explain something, I am just as excited as the next person. I love technology.
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RE: Proof for being an atheist
October 20, 2015 at 10:52 pm
(October 20, 2015 at 10:41 pm)Blondie Wrote: ... there is something more to life than just being born and dying which is the end ...
Yes. We call it "everything in between those two".
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
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