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POLL: What's your definition of an agnostic? Atheist?
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Tack didn't do it, Hitchslap did it.
 Well, there wasn't a rat emote; figure, same difference. As for the OP we're all atheists, agnostic about something. People who say otherwise are insecure. 
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Well I wanted to see if someone wanted to continue a discussion on agnosticism, but apparently it was just nostalgia and a drive by resurrection. Oh well.. back to the doldroms for you thread..
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post
always working on cleaning my windows- me regarding Johari  RE: POLL: What's your definition of an agnostic? Atheist?
January 27, 2012 at 9:01 am
(This post was last modified: January 27, 2012 at 9:01 am by Cosmic Ape.)
This thread was on the first page when I first came here. I didn't intend to bring up a zombie thread for no reason.
I don't have a problem with necroposting if the topic is relevant. We have been known to merge certain topics if they happen to be about the same things.
Best regards,
Leo van Miert Horsepower is how hard you hit the wall --Torque is how far you take the wall with you 
 (May 28, 2010 at 7:41 am)Tiberius Wrote: Are you sure you aren't confusing the meaning of the word apatheist with agnostic? I'm not sure you're right about this Tiberius. I don't see why I should have to generalize my lack of knowledge regarding gods to be classified as an agnostic. Whether gods exist is certainly not something I know about. (I'm not ever quite sure what we are talking about where gods are concerned but that is yet another question.) I do not know if other people have encountered gods and therefore I'm not ready to concede that knowledge of gods is not possible. Some say they have. I'm not willing to change my beliefs based on their eye witness accounts but I don't know for a fact they are mistaken. (January 27, 2012 at 9:25 am)leo-rcc Wrote: I don't have a problem with necroposting if the topic is relevant. We have been known to merge certain topics if they happen to be about the same things. With the amount of repeated topics of threads, that would be a horrendously big task to do it retroactively...
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post
always working on cleaning my windows- me regarding Johari
I do find that lots of people use "agnostic" to mean something like "atheist lite" .. or a lower degree of certainty about their lack of belief.
Of course the two questions are completely separate. I would say that I have 100% no belief in god. As an atheist I question if anyone has any less belief in gods than I since I have none. At the same time I am completely agnostic. Not only do I not know if gods exist, I don't even know if anyone else knows. Hell, I sometimes wonder what the hell is meant by gods at all. So put me down for a side order of ignosticism. Since I don't know what gods are how could I possibly know if anyone else has had or could have a close encounter with one? You'd need more knowledge of god than I have to know whether god is knowable so I'd say I'm also 100% agnostic. (In other words, it beats the shit out of me.) Finally there is the question of how much any of this matters to me. Not much. I scarcely give a shit, really. I can't think of any plans or decisions I'm putting off until I get to the bottom of the god question. But I'm probably not 100% apatheist. I have some empathy for those who are born into a religious cult and are forced to curtail their intellectual development in order to navigate around the god delusion. There but for the grace of .. whatever .. go you or I. RE: POLL: What's your definition of an agnostic? Atheist?
January 29, 2012 at 6:12 am
(This post was last modified: January 29, 2012 at 6:15 am by Cosmic Ape.)
Every religious person is in reality Agnostic even if they dont realize it, if you know theres a god (gnostic) you probably had an experience which can in reality be demonsterable to whats happening in the brain, nothing supernatural.
(January 28, 2012 at 6:49 pm)tackattack Wrote:(January 27, 2012 at 9:25 am)leo-rcc Wrote: I don't have a problem with necroposting if the topic is relevant. We have been known to merge certain topics if they happen to be about the same things. Which is why I have slaves mods to do such tasks. :p
Best regards,
Leo van Miert Horsepower is how hard you hit the wall --Torque is how far you take the wall with you
First - an Agnostic is NOT an atheist
Second THERE are several different types of agnostics While theists like to claim that agnostics are people who are unsure - Huxley would argue against that one. He said that an agnostic is a person who has NO real KNOWLEDGE of a god - and of course that includes EVERYONE. However - he would go on to say that an agnostic one who accepts the existence of ALL GODS that are PROVEN to exist in reality. TOO bad none are |
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