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RE: Vain, or Humble?
October 23, 2015 at 7:26 pm
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Vain.
Anyone that believes that the creator of he universe, that has extreme power and knowledge, and has a universe with 200 billion galaxies, each with 100 billions stars and an incomprehensibly huge number of planets to look after, has the time or inclination to communicate with one of billions of hairless hominids living on just one pretty insignificant rock, is the epitome of vainity.
Even more vain, because they believe that they, no matter which version of a god they believe exists, are the ones that have it correct, and the majority of humanity have it wrong. And because they believe this, they are the ones that get sent to to the best place imaginable.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Vain, or Humble?
October 24, 2015 at 10:44 pm
(October 23, 2015 at 12:22 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: Neither humble or vain. They know not that it is their own voice they worship. They are simply mistaken.
Yeah, they give what they call god too much credit and what they call themselves too little.
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RE: Vain, or Humble?
October 30, 2015 at 5:28 pm
(October 23, 2015 at 12:22 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: Neither humble or vain. They know not that it is their own voice they worship. They are simply mistaken.
I feel like I should duck when I say this, but . . .
When I was probably 20 I thought I heard the voice of God. Scared the bejesus out of me.
It never happened again. That's not something I spoke about to very many people because it does sound crazy. And I would not deny that I might have just a little bit of crazy in me.
"My imagination makes me human and makes me a fool; it gives me all the world and exiles me from it."
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RE: Vain, or Humble?
October 30, 2015 at 5:30 pm
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:throws a brick:
I jest, I jest. Not actually that uncommon of an experience, apparently, and nothing to do with a person being crazy - so far as we can tell.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Vain, or Humble?
October 30, 2015 at 6:18 pm
(October 23, 2015 at 12:22 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: Neither humble or vain. They know not that it is their own voice they worship. They are simply mistaken.
That's a good way to put it.
I remember being really pissed off in the mid 90s at former Los Angeles Lakers great, Magic Johnson at his reaction to the the development of protase inhibitors to treat HIV infection. He was a high-profile person who had tested positive for the virus. When the then-experimental protase inhibitors reduced the virus in his system to undetectable levels, he said, "I give all the glory to God." It really pissed me off that he didn't save some "glory" for the real-life men and women who did the research and development on the drugs that saved his sorry ass.
He was personally humble in that he credited a power outside himself but vain in thinking that that power had anything to do with his stupid religion.
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RE: Vain, or Humble?
October 30, 2015 at 6:28 pm
I would say it's humble before God and sense of appreciating his praise, but honorable towards oneself, and sense of pride over the people in darkness, a heightening oneself with the highness of God over the blind and deaf people, while yet remaining humble towards the God, his chosen ones, and the faithful submitting people in general.
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RE: Vain, or Humble?
October 30, 2015 at 9:01 pm
(October 30, 2015 at 6:18 pm)AFTT47 Wrote: (October 23, 2015 at 12:22 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: Neither humble or vain. They know not that it is their own voice they worship. They are simply mistaken.
That's a good way to put it.
I remember being really pissed off in the mid 90s at former Los Angeles Lakers great, Magic Johnson at his reaction to the the development of protase inhibitors to treat HIV infection. He was a high-profile person who had tested positive for the virus. When the then-experimental protase inhibitors reduced the virus in his system to undetectable levels, he said, "I give all the glory to God." It really pissed me off that he didn't save some "glory" for the real-life men and women who did the research and development on the drugs that saved his sorry ass.
He was personally humble in that he credited a power outside himself but vain in thinking that that power had anything to do with his stupid religion.
Some shit has really been piling on me for months, and culminated this week into some really serious shit, so I was talking to my mom about it. I said, "I'm just thankful this didn't happen a couple of months ago," (a couple of months ago I was suicidal and all-around fucked up). She goes, "I know! Thank god it's happening now! I mean, I know you don't believe in god, but am I right?" I was like, "mom, no. Thank you, and my sister, and my friends, my whole support system. If it weren't for you guys, and with my mental health issues, I'd be homeless. So, thank you; no god required."
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RE: Vain, or Humble?
October 30, 2015 at 9:46 pm
(October 30, 2015 at 5:28 pm)lisah Wrote: (October 23, 2015 at 12:22 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: Neither humble or vain. They know not that it is their own voice they worship. They are simply mistaken.
I feel like I should duck when I say this, but . . .
When I was probably 20 I thought I heard the voice of God. Scared the bejesus out of me.
It never happened again. That's not something I spoke about to very many people because it does sound crazy. And I would not deny that I might have just a little bit of crazy in me.
It doesn't sound crazy to me. The brain is very fallible and can glitch. I've heard and seen things that aren't there before. If you were hearing voices on a regular basis, then I'd be concerned.
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RE: Vain, or Humble?
October 31, 2015 at 8:30 am
(October 22, 2015 at 11:00 pm)heatiosrs Wrote: So I have an interesting question for you fellow Atheists,
Do you think that the religious people who claim to speak to god, or have a relationship with god are Vain, or Humble?
Since we, as Atheists, and basically any other religious person, believe anyone claiming to "talk to god" or if you're religious, anyone claiming to talk to the god that is not yours;
we believe these people are basically just talking to a voice in their head, and nothing else.
Therefore, is it vain for them to praise god? Since they are technically praising themselves?
Or is it Humble, because they are showing a low estimate of their own self importance, and are praising what they think is someone besides themselves that is important enough to be worth praising?
Arrogant I think. They have an air of unjustified superiority about them and it seems that the more extreme the stupidity of the thing they believe the more arrogant they get. And the more arrogant they get the more likely they are to inflict their views on others by any means they can.
You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid.
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RE: Vain, or Humble?
October 31, 2015 at 9:22 am
(October 30, 2015 at 9:46 pm)robvalue Wrote: (October 30, 2015 at 5:28 pm)lisah Wrote: I feel like I should duck when I say this, but . . .
When I was probably 20 I thought I heard the voice of God. Scared the bejesus out of me.
It never happened again. That's not something I spoke about to very many people because it does sound crazy. And I would not deny that I might have just a little bit of crazy in me.
It doesn't sound crazy to me. The brain is very fallible and can glitch. I've heard and seen things that aren't there before. If you were hearing voices on a regular basis, then I'd be concerned.
Although it is off topic . . . sort of
What sort of things have you heard or seen that weren't there, if you don't mind my asking?
"My imagination makes me human and makes me a fool; it gives me all the world and exiles me from it."
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