If hypocrisy isn't always wrong then why does everyone use it as an insult? No one calls another a hypocrite as a compliment.
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What is the source for our morals?
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RE: What is the source for our morals?
November 18, 2015 at 10:37 am
(This post was last modified: November 18, 2015 at 10:39 am by Whateverist.)
Hypocrisy always seems to illicit opprobrium. But even if it turns out to be a universal source of condemnation, it remains contingent. It is an insult because we feel it to be one. But if that changes, only those who build up elaborate moral systems which posit objective moral reality will be perplexed.
We are elaborately and quite messily complex organisms, beset by a great many motivations and aversions. Any orderliness you may find there is of your own design. (November 17, 2015 at 6:38 pm)ChadWooters Wrote:(November 17, 2015 at 6:10 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: I disagree with the idea of charity because if something is worth fixing properly it needs government intervention, charities by providing a band aid problems delay government assistance. What makes you think that I feel that being generous with other peoples money is virtuous? My position is just that nothing is achieved without government intervention. Charities can only do so much and are at the whim of donators. Look at the ALS ice bucket challenge that raised millions for a niche illness that will probably never get that kind of money again. It's inconsistent and missdirected. There are also many charities raising money for the same thing it is wasteful. Look at Britain in the Victorian era, there were any number of do gooders running charities and helping less able people but nothing really changed until the government became involved. If something needs doing it needs doing by a properly run government body, not some well wisher no matter how well intentioned. You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid. Tinkety Tonk and down with the Nazis. (November 18, 2015 at 9:55 am)ChadWooters Wrote: If hypocrisy isn't always wrong then why does everyone use it as an insult? No one calls another a hypocrite as a compliment. Insults come from all areas, some are weird and wonderful. "You are a Douche" douche means a device used to introduce water to the body for hygiene reasons. This has been taken to be a negative but it sounds quite refreshing to me. Same thing. You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid. Tinkety Tonk and down with the Nazis. RE: What is the source for our morals?
December 6, 2015 at 9:40 am
(This post was last modified: December 6, 2015 at 9:44 am by DespondentFishdeathMasochismo.)
I wonder if it has something to do with emotions. There is such a thing as emotional intelligence, which determines what the most fair moral outcome is for a given situation. People without emotions seem to lack this basic fundamental moral compass. So I think it's fair to say that, we attach emotional significance to certain person, we judge whether or not their treatment is fair, for the same reason we feel sad when another person dies. Emotional involvement probably plays a big factor in it, but I think it's also fair to say that intelligence plays a factor too.
I see the word "objective" used here. I tried to use the word objective to ask someone "why don't you use objective observation, instead of saying someone has no credibility", to someone who was saying the amazing atheist has no credibility. I think the word I mean to use was "critical analysis", instead of objective analysis. Critical thinking plays a very large role in morality, it's one of the reasons why I believe atheists are some of the most moral people on the planet. Say for instance, someone kicks their kid out of their house for being gay.That person obviously didn't arrive to the conclusion that being gay can make you disown your son or daughter through rational critical thinking. I was trying to explain this earlier, that morality is something which can be intelligently observed. It's not random, and it's not arbitrary. The factor that determines morality is our ability to rationalize, make the most unbiased, fair, insightful, intelligent, observations, or simply acknowledge that some moral dilemmas are too confounding to solve with our current knowledge. It's science. It's the same as science. We can't know everything, but we can use our knowledge to observe the objectively unchanging world around, with our perspectives that are subjective to our own perception. (November 17, 2015 at 5:04 pm)Thena323 Wrote: Btw, my automatic "instinctive" response was yes. "Philosophy ... it's the top of a cereal box ..." (November 18, 2015 at 9:55 am)ChadWooters Wrote: If hypocrisy isn't always wrong then why does everyone use it as an insult? No one calls another a hypocrite as a compliment. Who cares? People use words however they please - often incorrectly. And I'm quite happy to call someone, who promotes, say, genocide, but doesn't go through with it - a hypocrite, as a compliment, if somewhat faint and sarcastic one.
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one." - George Bernard Shaw
RE: What is the source for our morals?
December 6, 2015 at 11:34 am
(This post was last modified: December 6, 2015 at 12:01 pm by Homeless Nutter.)
(November 18, 2015 at 1:47 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: Insults come from all areas, some are weird and wonderful. While it obviously doesn't take away from your point and is purely a side-note - there are no real hygenic, or medical reasons to introduce water into the body - except through the mouth, naturally. Quite the opposite - frequent douching disturbs the vaginal ecosystem and can lead to yeast infections and such. The bad connotation of the word comes from the fact, that it used to be mainly a primitive form of post-coital contraception, as well from the association with female genitals. As for anal douching, or colonic irrigation - it's just quackery and there's no need to do that either, other than for fun, I suppose. The more you know... about vaginas... http://womenshealth.gov/publications/our...ching.html
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one." - George Bernard Shaw
(December 6, 2015 at 11:34 am)Homeless Nutter Wrote:Still think it would feel refreshing.(November 18, 2015 at 1:47 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: Insults come from all areas, some are weird and wonderful. You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid. Tinkety Tonk and down with the Nazis. |
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