The New Covenant

[Minimalist]

Of course, "matthew" was the gospel written for the jews so it kind of makes sense that it kisses their asses.

(Jesus comes across as a real scumbag in that one.)

[Wyrd of Gawd]

How come fucking "god" didn't know that this wasn't going to turn out so well?

5 Go and tell my servant David, Thus saith the Lord, Shalt thou build me an house for me to dwell in?
6 Whereas I have not dwelt in any house since the time that I brought up the children of Israel out of Egypt, even to this day, but have walked in a tent and in a tabernacle.
7 In all the places wherein I have walked with all the children of Israel spake I a word with any of the tribes of Israel, whom I commanded to feed my people Israel, saying, Why build ye not me an house of cedar?
8 Now therefore so shalt thou say unto my servant David, Thus saith the Lord of hosts, I took thee from the sheepcote, from following the sheep, to be ruler over my people, over Israel:
9 And I was with thee whithersoever thou wentest, and have cut off all thine enemies out of thy sight, and have made thee a great name, like unto the name of the great men that are in the earth.
10 Moreover I will appoint a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, that they may dwell in a place of their own, and move no more; neither shall the children of wickedness afflict them any more, as beforetime,
11 And as since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel, and have caused thee to rest from all thine enemies. Also the Lord telleth thee that he will make thee an house.
12 And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom.
13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.
14 I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men:
15 But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away before thee.
16 And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee: thy throne shall be established for ever.
17 According to all these words, and according to all this vision, so did Nathan speak unto David.

2 Sam 7

An 'all-knowing' god should never have plans that don't work out.

Dammit, I know I've already made 1000 covenants and that I said each one was going to last forever, but trust me, I'm sure that one of the next 500 will be the real deal.  You had better believe me and love me or I'll toss your butt into the lake of fire.  I always keep that one.  Now leave me alone while I think up some more lies to BS you with.  ~ God.

[Aractus]

The OT is about Jesus and our need for Him, so read and find out I do not have the time to do research for you, besides you would just dismiss it, you want abandon your pals to agree with a Christian, why that would ruin your reputation. In my opinion that's a high price to pay to give up an eternal life with God.

GC

i looked for evidence in the old testament that the messiah was to come and save all humanity not just the jews and it wasnt in there in fact in the new testament jesus said that he only came for the jews not the gentiles
In Matthew 15:22-26 A Canaanite woman (a gentile) from that vicinity came to him, crying out, "Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is suffering terribly from demon-possession." Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, "Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us." He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel." The woman came and knelt before him. "Lord, help me!" she said. He replied, "It is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to their dogs."

Jesus calls this woman a dog because she is not the right nationality and he only came for the jews and she was a gentile. jesus identified as the messiah to the jews , prophesied and in and not contradicting the old testament

And then he recognises her faith and heals her daughter:

27 ‘Yes it is, Lord,’ she said. ‘Even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table.’

28 Then Jesus said to her, ‘Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.’ And her daughter was healed at that moment.

[jenny1972]

i looked for evidence in the old testament that the messiah was to come and save all humanity not just the jews and it wasnt in there in fact in the new testament jesus said that he only came for the jews not the gentiles
In Matthew 15:22-26 A Canaanite woman (a gentile) from that vicinity came to him, crying out, "Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is suffering terribly from demon-possession." Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, "Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us." He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel." The woman came and knelt before him. "Lord, help me!" she said. He replied, "It is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to their dogs."

Jesus calls this woman a dog because she is not the right nationality and he only came for the jews and she was a gentile. jesus identified as the messiah to the jews , prophesied and in and not contradicting the old testament

And then he recognises her faith and heals her daughter:

27 ‘Yes it is, Lord,’ she said. ‘Even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table.’

28 Then Jesus said to her, ‘Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.’ And her daughter was healed at that moment.

yes he did decide to heal the gentile despite not wanting to because he didnt come for the gentiles but just for the jews so in the end he did have mercy on the gentile dog . thatll probabally be what the apologists say is the proof that jesus came to save all humanity because he showed mercy to that gentile dog 

[Minimalist]

Like most of the NT that story sounds like a steaming turd.

[Godscreated]

[/HIDE]

Nothing in the scriptures you posted said the prophet would be put to death, God will deal with the false prophet. Since the prophet only speaks what God tells him there's no limit on the time, it's all in God's timing.

GC

That same Hebrew word that is translated "shall die" in Deut 18:20 is Strong's  H4191  used here: Deu 13:5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; 

...and here: Deu 17:6 At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is worthy of death H4191 be put to death; H4191 but at the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death. H4191  ...and many other places.

King James had many helping with the 1611 translation.

Die is the word translated, not "shall die" and the word is "muwth" which can be used literally or figuratively.  This word "muwth" is used 90% of the time in translating die, it is the common word used for die or death. Like I said it can and is used figuratively.

King James told those translators not to show kings in a bad light, he didn't get his way with that, they translated for the truth and did a good job, they also were at a loss for some words and some of those words are still lost to us. Many of the modern day translations had many people from many denominations working on them, they set up very strict rules to be followed and those rules were followed without question.

GC

[jenny1972]

That same Hebrew word that is translated "shall die" in Deut 18:20 is Strong's  H4191  used here: Deu 13:5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; H4191

...and here: Deu 17:6 At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is worthy of death H4191 be put to death; H4191 but at the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death. H4191  ...and many other places.

King James had many helping with the 1611 translation.

Die is the word translated, not "shall die" and the word is "muwth" which can be used literally or figuratively.  This word "muwth" is used 90% of the time in translating die, it is the common word used for die or death. Like I said it can and is used figuratively.

King James told those translators not to show kings in a bad light, he didn't get his way with that, they translated for the truth and did a good job, they also were at a loss for some words and some of those words are still lost to us. Many of the modern day translations had many people from many denominations working on them, they set up very strict rules to be followed and those rules were followed without question.

GC

what do you mean some of the words were "lost" in translation !? dont you think that if translating means that Gods Word will not be translated perfectly then it shouldnt be translated at all ? a change in 1 word or removal of words can change the entire understanding of the intended message . Isnt adding to or taking away of Gods Word spoken against in the bible?

[Minimalist]

This thing seems to be the Swiss army knife of words:


 King James Word Usage - Total: 835 die 424, dead 130, slay 100, death 83, surely 50, kill 31, dead man 3, dead body 2, in no wise 2, miscellaneous 10

http://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/hebrew/kjv/muwth.html

But of course, G-C knows exactly what meanings to ascribe to each instance because, I suppose, "god" told him.

Translating ancient languages is more art than science and sadly it is hard to get two experts to agree.  Somehow, I can't quite imagine G-C in that same class of "scholar."

[Godscreated]

i looked for evidence in the old testament that the messiah was to come and save all humanity not just the jews and it wasnt in there in fact in the new testament jesus said that he only came for the jews not the gentiles

Just because you skimmed through the OT or used wiki or what ever and didn't find that Jesus came to save the world doesn't mean it's not in the OT, look harder.

In Matthew 15:22-26 A Canaanite woman (a gentile) from that vicinity came to him, crying out, "Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is suffering terribly from demon-possession." Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, "Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us." He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel." The woman came and knelt before him. "Lord, help me!" she said. He replied, "It is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to their dogs."

What's the matter are you afraid to use entire passage, leaving out the lat part is deceitful and doesn't show what the verses teach. The verses are titled "The faith of a Canaanite woman." Verse 27) She said, "Yes, Lord, yet even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters' table." 28)  Then Jesus answered her, "O woman, great is your faith! Be it done for you as you desire." And her daughter was healed instantly. Leaving out these verses may support your view, but leaving them out doesn't support the truth, so if you do not like being called a "cherry picker" then don't try falsifying the truth of scripture by leaving out relative verses, please.

 
Jesus calls this woman a dog because she is not the right nationality and he only came for the jews and she was a gentile. jesus identified as the messiah to the jews , prophesied and in and not contradicting the old testament

Now let's look at what was actually said and meant in their conversation. When Jesus referred to the children's bread and the dogs she agreed with with Him, unusual for a woman that had just been called a dog, wouldn't you agree. Jesus was giving an example and she knew He was and what He meant. Now for another mistake you've made. I bold and underlined the word "for" because the words are smaller, but that little word you used was your misinterpretation of what the verses say. In the verses you posted Jesus says, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel. This little word "to" means Jesus was sent to minister to the Jewish people, John 3:16 says, "For God so loved the world He sent His one and only Son that whoever believes ...", so the words world and whoever represents all people not just the Jews. God as the Son came to minister to His chosen people so that they would have another chance to spread God's love to the world, this is why He said, "to the lost sheep of Israel," He was trying to get them to finish their original mission, God's will for them.
Jesus healed the woman's daughter because of her faith just as He had done for other Gentiles because of their faith. Jesus is telling us that faith is so important to the truth and reality of who He is. If Jesus had really believed the woman was no more than a dog do you really think He would turn around and heal her daughter. You can pick through the verses to deny Jesus so you don't have to accept Him, but is that really be real and truthful to yourself.

GC

[Godscreated]

Die is the word translated, not "shall die" and the word is "muwth" which can be used literally or figuratively.  This word "muwth" is used 90% of the time in translating die, it is the common word used for die or death. Like I said it can and is used figuratively.

King James told those translators not to show kings in a bad light, he didn't get his way with that, they translated for the truth and did a good job, they also were at a loss for some words and some of those words are still lost to us. Many of the modern day translations had many people from many denominations working on them, they set up very strict rules to be followed and those rules were followed without question.

GC

what do you mean some of the words were "lost" in translation ? dont you think that if translating means that Gods Word will not be translated perfectly then it shouldnt be translated at all ? a change in 1 word or removal of words can change the entire understanding of the intended message . Isnt adding to or taking away of Gods Word spoken against in the bible?

I did not say they were lost to translation, I said, "lost to us...," because there are some words we still can't translate into English or should I say out of Hebrew.
You're thinking of the warning in Revelation and that was for that book alone. Though I will say we should never add to or take away from His word. The idea that a few words that we do not know can change the entire message of God is ridiculous. I've read many books that have been printed with words missing or wrong words printed and have always been able to see what was meant in the book and the books message came trough loud and clear.

GC