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A devout Muslim speaks, and I agree with every word
November 16, 2015 at 7:14 pm
While I agree that it is very important to remember that "not all Muslims are like this" when the atrocities happen, I've also always thought that it's something the good Muslims should acknowledge and address. This Muslim man put it perfectly:
Quote:"I want to thank well-meaning non-Muslims who, in the wake of these attacks, have emphasised that they have been carried out by a small, twisted minority. A terrorist's goal is to sow hatred and discord, and by not giving in, you are defeating their plans.
But I want to say that as a Muslim, I wish that we weren't so quick to emphasise that this has nothing to do with us. While I personally have never killed anyone and none of my friends and family have ever resorted to violence, radicalism has everything to do with Islam. And the failure to address that out of a well-intentioned commitment to tolerance is making the problem worse.
ISIS is a Muslim organisation, and it is an Islamic problem. Let me say it again to be perfectly clear. ISIS is a Muslim organisation, and they are a cancer at the heart of Islam. And the problem will not go away until Muslims confront that.
ISIS attackers scream 'Allah hu'akbar' during their attacks.
ISIS recruits cite Qur'anic verses as justification for the rape and enslavement of women.
ISIS soldiers kill archaeologists, gay men and women, and people who refuse to convert to Islam because they are blasphemers.
There are no Christians in ISIS. There are no Buddhists, Jews, Pagans, Taoists, Houngans, Catholics, Wiccans, Hindus or even Scientologists in ISIS. ISIS is a Muslim organisation and they kill in the name of Islam.
So don't say that ISIS aren't 'true Muslims' or that they are 'not really Muslims'. Like any large organisation, ISIS exists in a spectrum. You have the aimless, restless teenager who never amounted to anything in his life and traveled to Syria because he can't find a job and doesn't know if the Qur'an is to be read from left to right or right to left. But you also have pious professionals, businessmen, and academics who read their Qur'an cover to cover, pray every day, were seduced into radicalism, and truly believe that the Islamic State's goal of conquest is a noble one. The so-called 'Caliph' Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi has a doctorate in Islamic studies.
So if you feel that Muslims are being oppressed or killed in Muslim countries, I expect you to also be just as outraged by ISIS. Because they have killed more Muslims in Iraq, Syria and Jordan than the entire US army. They have done more damage to the name and reputation of Islam than any Western nation. ISIS is Islam's biggest enemy, not the US, not Israel or France or Germany or the Russians.
We have to own the problem. We have to admit that this is a religious problem, and we need to renew our commitment to a secular country which treats all religions equally. I have believed in the importance of secularism all my life, and with every day that passes that belief grows stronger. Religion is no way to govern a nation. Not any religion, and not any nation.
ISIS is not America's problem, nor the British, nor the French. ISIS is not Syria or Iraq's problem. ISIS is a problem for Muslims. And if you can't admit that, you're not really a good Muslim either."
- Sulaiman Daud
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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RE: A devout Muslim speaks, and I agree with every word
November 16, 2015 at 7:31 pm
I wonder if that really is a Muslim who wrote that but whether he is or not, he is right. These sub-humans are massively sullying the image of all Muslims so it definitely is their problem. They all have a duty to speak out against jihadists loud and clear. If they did, organizations like ISIS might have fewer safe havens and more difficulty recruiting.
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RE: A devout Muslim speaks, and I agree with every word
November 16, 2015 at 7:40 pm
According to this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulaiman_Daud
he's been dead for 5 years.
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RE: A devout Muslim speaks, and I agree with every word
November 16, 2015 at 7:47 pm
What baffles me is why the whole middle east isn't tackling the problem as a unified initiative.
Do some middle eastern countries benefit from this chaos?
Why is it the west doing all the bombing? Technology? Purpose? Gain?
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RE: A devout Muslim speaks, and I agree with every word
November 16, 2015 at 7:51 pm
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(November 16, 2015 at 7:31 pm)AFTT47 Wrote: I wonder if that really is a Muslim who wrote that but whether he is or not, he is right. These sub-humans are massively sullying the image of all Muslims so it definitely is their problem. They all have a duty to speak out against jihadists loud and clear. If they did, organizations like ISIS might have fewer safe havens and more difficulty recruiting.
Yes, unless it's a fake facebook profile, it was a real Muslim.
https://www.facebook.com/sulaiman.daud.503?fref=nf
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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RE: A devout Muslim speaks, and I agree with every word
November 16, 2015 at 7:53 pm
(November 16, 2015 at 7:47 pm)ignoramus Wrote: What baffles me is why the whole middle east isn't tackling the problem as a unified initiative.
The fact that they aren't tempers my sympathy for them being lumped in with the terrorists.
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RE: A devout Muslim speaks, and I agree with every word
November 16, 2015 at 8:10 pm
(November 16, 2015 at 7:47 pm)ignoramus Wrote: What baffles me is why the whole middle east isn't tackling the problem as a unified initiative.
Do some middle eastern countries benefit from this chaos?
Why is it the west doing all the bombing? Technology? Purpose? Gain?
A few months ago, Bill Maher dealt with this issue with retired col. Lawrence Wilkerson. He asked a good question, Wilkerson ( former chief of staff to Colin Powell and a republican ) agreed with him and then asked a pretty good question of his own.
But, if you notice, he failed to address Maher's original question of why are arab armies so useless? And the answer is that their purpose is to protect the regime at home not to go off somewhere and leave the political elites unguarded.
One wonders if any arab army could project power two blocks over their own borders?
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RE: A devout Muslim speaks, and I agree with every word
November 16, 2015 at 8:31 pm
(November 16, 2015 at 7:40 pm)Minimalist Wrote: According to this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulaiman_Daud
he's been dead for 5 years.
No wonder he wasn't afraid to say this, he's already dead.
I can't remember where this verse is from, I think it got removed from canon:
"I don't hang around with mostly men because I'm gay. It's because men are better than women. Better trained, better equipped...better. Just better! I'm not gay."
For context, this is the previous verse:
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RE: A devout Muslim speaks, and I agree with every word
November 16, 2015 at 9:01 pm
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He might've done a Copernicus! Speak his mind on his deathbed with nothing to lose.
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RE: A devout Muslim speaks, and I agree with every word
November 16, 2015 at 9:11 pm
(November 16, 2015 at 7:47 pm)ignoramus Wrote: What baffles me is why the whole middle east isn't tackling the problem as a unified initiative.
Do some middle eastern countries benefit from this chaos?
Why is it the west doing all the bombing? Technology? Purpose? Gain?
At this point i don't think they care they are getting our money since we buy their oil.
The point can be made they are lazy when it comes to dealing with their home grown extremists.
To end this problem indefinitely is to simply find out who is brainwashing theses people and simply stop them.
You end the problem by cutting off the head. That being said islam is certainly not a peaceful religion neither is christianity
neither is judaism. But when you have people that teach these kinds of things and create extremists of course people
are going to do fucked up shit. I am not a fan of religion we would be better off as of now without it.
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