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RE: Hindu Perspective: Counter to God of Gaps Theory
November 19, 2015 at 7:01 am
Lol yeah, I mean why should it matter to me whether a god or gods exist? Why is it important that I know or believe either way?
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RE: Hindu Perspective: Counter to God of Gaps Theory
November 19, 2015 at 1:14 pm
But if I'm already going to 653 different hells, what's the difference in one? They can't even agree whether I'm going there or not, so why bother? .-.
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RE: Hindu Perspective: Counter to God of Gaps Theory
November 19, 2015 at 2:21 pm
@Krishna: You are working under a lot of assumptions there. First, why would you suggest the universe is infinite? We are only able to observe a limited portion of the universe, and that doesn't tell us if it is finite or infinite. And knowledge is not directly proportional to the universe, at this point, yes it may very well seem infinite, but then again infinity is a tricky concept in itself. For example, if you draw a line of finite length, you can still view it as an infinite series of smaller lines connected together. So infinite or finite depends on the perspective, to put it simply.
Now regarding god-of-the-gaps, God has existed in the gaps of knowledge of ancient men, and whenever science fills that gap, there is no god to be seen anywhere. So there is no reason to assume a god exists till actual evidence is provided.
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RE: Hindu Perspective: Counter to God of Gaps Theory
November 19, 2015 at 6:11 pm
(November 19, 2015 at 4:22 am)Krishna Jaganath Wrote: the assumptions I'm making
There. I've them refuted.
You're making assumptions, ones that are not based on evidence, but simply on your own personal prejudices. There is no need to provide evidence to refute them, the simple fact that they have no evidence in their favour is enough to take them as refuted.
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RE: Hindu Perspective: Counter to God of Gaps Theory
November 19, 2015 at 6:49 pm
(November 18, 2015 at 5:51 pm)Krishna Jaganath Wrote: I’d like to present a counter view on the God of Gaps theory presented by many athiests. If we believe that the universe is infinite we would also believe that knowledge about the universe is infinite. If knowledge is infinite then the questions one asks about the universe is therefore also infinite.
If we agree on everything stated above, I would introduce the subject of God into the thesis. According to most religions God or the Divine is believed to be infinite. If that is true then it would hold that Science cannot ever explain God because for Science to explain God that would mean that it would have to have perfect knowledge of the universe and according to the logical arguments presented above that is not possible. As knowledge of the Universe and God is infinite, one cannot ever fully explain either one fully.
For the theory above to work one would need to accept the following assumptions.
1. There is such a thing as God and God is infinite. Now if you don’t accept there is God, fine, but one cannot have their cake and eat it to. One either has the option to simply deny the existence of God as long as one does NOT argue the basis for their reasoning is that Science has disproved God because as seen from the above argument that does not make sense logically.
It would be fair to say I don’t believe in God because everything I see in my reality tells me that believing in such a thing is completely crazy, or I’ve never had any personal experience to me make think there ever was a God, BUT one cannot say that one doesn’t believe in God because Science has disproved it.
2. Science in itself is a means to explore and uncover knowledge. Science cannot be called infinite because science is only a tool to uncover knowledge. So the argument that science is also infinite doesn’t hold in this case because we have defined science as a process or tool but not the essence, which is knowledge. Therefore if science can never fully uncover all knowledge then it also is fair to say that science can never fully prove or disprove God because like knowledge and the universe, God is infinite.
I don't agree with everything you stated in the first paragraph.
Infinities are a mathematical concept.
Anything that follows your first paragraph, hinges on you proving that actual infinities exist.
Have fun with that...
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.