Simple mathematical error in quran.

[annatar]

are you sure you read my post before you reply?

coming from you this means a lot...

the case you mentioned is not in the Quran so you must admit first you was ignorant and adding different situations to each other(as the subject was mathematical error in the Quran) and after that i will tell you what to do in the situation you mentioned

the case I mentioned is an example using quran's clear instructions! Quran gives all conditions for each situation just like modern laws(thats not a compliment.)all you have to do is to apply these rules to situations.
Of course quran is not mentioned about all situations like "if you have 3 daugther or 4 daugther ......" it simply says "But if there are daughters, two or more, for them is two thirds of one's estate" you can see the condition here if there are 2 daughters or more you should do this. it is a condition.
it has given rules just like that and i am using this rules. Dude all muslim countries doing it like i do. I dont know why are you struggling that much to understand.I will not tell you this again. becouse its getting dull.

i explained this over 3 times and you still dont understand again for the last time in the Quran we are given general rules there is no rule given in th Quran with all the possible situations that could happen

like you said, give me a quotation in quran about this statement. becouse i can give some which proves its the other way around.

you are asking the same questions after i answer them but just in this post you started changing your position from mathematical error in the Quran to explaining the particular situation you mentioned before
plz annatar use more polite way in talking unless you have nothing to do except talking in a bad way

and this means you really didn't understand what i said at the begining.(or you dont want to understand)I said you can't divide your heritage with quran's instructions. and i gave an example that shows why you can't divide. Is this not a mathematical error?
Muhammed simply messed up with calculations. And you just can't take up with it.

[mo3taz3nbar]

i think i understood what you mean by avl i will answer you as soon as possible as am at work now and you made me search in hadith books a lot to get you the evidence of what am saying from hadith and also to understand what you mean by avl
anyway i will answer you in details as i can once i get back to home

[Dotard]

i will answer you as soon as possible as am at work now ...i will answer you in details as i can once i get back to home

I'm sure Allah would agree converting infidels is much more important than any 'work' you may be doing.
Don't wait. Do it now.

[mo3taz3nbar]

I dont know why are you struggling that much to understand.I will not tell you this again. becouse its getting dull.

because you kept saying avl when its called al-awl and you didnt even mention that you are writing arabic word in english i thought that avl is an abbreviation of something lol

like you said, give me a quotation in quran about this statement. becouse i can give some which proves its the other way around.

it doesnt need a qoutation from the quran but you will never find in the quran anything that contain details for exceptions or different situations with no need there is always a fixed rule and you can measure any situation with this fixed or general rule

and this means you really didn't understand what i said at the begining

if the situation you are talking about was mentioned in the Quran(what you was claiming at the begining) it would be certainly a mistake.if its not mentioned then its an exception and you can get it back to sunnah or the ruler to decide what to do without violating the ratio between familly members

i gave an example that shows why you can't divide. Is this not a mathematical error?

no its an exception that can be solved under the general rules

Muhammed simply messed up with calculations. And you just can't take up with it.

lol no you just messed up understanding and you get in the middle of something that needs reading and concentrating to understand it especially if you dont know about law.anyway i will explain it in more details as i see you have a problem with it

[mo3taz3nbar]

first:there are three kinds of the people who inherit:

1-sharer:the ones mentioned in the Quran directly with fixed shares(sons not mentiond) and they take their share not from the remaining of other inheriters(they are about 9)
2-residuaries:they take their share from the remaining after the sharers take their shares(they are about 15)
3-distent kindred:the close people who are poor or in need

NB:the daughter alone is considered sharer while son is considered a residuary

check this: http://www.islamicteachings.org/forum/th...t7935.html

this link contains over 115 situations of inheritance given from only two verses in the Quran and only 10 exception cases(al awl) these exceptions come when all the inheriters are sharers and no residuaries

al-awl:what they do in the case that all inheritors are sharers and when shares given to them will add more than one they divide each share by the amount of increase example: (1/4+1/6+1/2+1/6=1.0833) and then dividing each share (1/4 / 1.0833 = 23.08%) to get share percent.which lead to an equal amount of decrease in each inheritor share(their share according to each other is the same which is the main reason of deciding the ratios of the inheritors)

only two verses give you a solution for about 115 cases of inheritance but of course you have a problem with the 10 exception cases that was solved by shura(opinion of the ruler and the public under Quran general rules) and it gives the same ratio between familly members according to quran.

[annatar]

first:there are three kinds of the people who inherit:

1-sharer:the ones mentioned in the Quran directly with fixed shares(sons not mentiond) and they take their share not from the remaining of other inheriters(they are about 9)
2-residuaries:they take their share from the remaining after the sharers take their shares(they are about 15)
3-distent kindred:the close people who are poor or in need

NB:the daughter alone is considered sharer while son is considered a residuary

check this: http://www.islamicteachings.org/forum/th...t7935.html

this link contains over 115 situations of inheritance given from only two verses in the Quran and only 10 exception cases(al awl) these exceptions come when all the inheriters are sharers and no residuaries

al-awl:what they do in the case that all inheritors are sharers and when shares given to them will add more than one they divide each share by the amount of increase example: (1/4+1/6+1/2+1/6=1.0833) and then dividing each share (1/4 / 1.0833 = 23.08%) to get share percent.which lead to an equal amount of decrease in each inheritor share(their share according to each other is the same which is the main reason of deciding the ratios of the inheritors)

only two verses give you a solution for about 115 cases of inheritance but of course you have a problem with the 10 exception cases that was solved by shura(opinion of the ruler and the public under Quran general rules) and it gives the same ratio between familly members according to quran.

so you got it
now we may proceed to "why muslims fail when they trying to fix." part
First of all quran could have mentioned that "exceptions". What now one more verse is too much for that issue?
let me add a verse for him,


"if there is a problem with my- i mean god's calculations use a constant to fix it.."
nisa 11/a
Tell me why he didn't add something like that?(i want your answer for this question particularly)

it could have said that if there is a problem use al awl or something. but it didnt.or he could find a fair way to share heritage like modern laws do right now!

al-awl:what they do in the case that all inheritors are sharers and when shares given to them will add more than one they divide each share by the amount of increase example: (1/4+1/6+1/2+1/6=1.0833) and then dividing each share (1/4 / 1.0833 = 23.08%) to get share percent.which lead to an equal amount of decrease in each inheritor share(their share according to each other is the same which is the main reason of deciding the ratios of the inheritors)

Its obviously a mistake. and when you try to fix it you are violating original percentages.
i mean it says mother and father will take 1/6 of the heritage but you are not giving 1/6 of the heritage.. Every percentage which quran spesifically instructed, changes when you use this awl thing. and this is a great sin according to quran!

only two verses give you a solution for about 115 cases of inheritance but of course you have a problem with the 10 exception cases that was solved by shura(opinion of the ruler and the public under Quran general rules) and it gives the same ratio between familly members according to quran.

if its a human's work its acceptable bug. but if its the god's work quite funny.. and that shura you mentioned. its not possible for our case becouse all conditions were given by quran.and no exceptions mentioned. You are not giving opinion under quran's general rules you are simply violating quran itself.
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Quote:I dont know why are you struggling that much to understand.I will not tell you this again. becouse its getting dull.
because you kept saying avl when its called al-awl and you didnt even mention that you are writing arabic word in english i thought that avl is an abbreviation of something lol

btw sorry about that we call it "avl" or "avliye" in turkish i didn't think that its spelled different in english:p

[mo3taz3nbar]

@ annatar i think now we are getting closer in this issue. i think the difference is that you want the Quran to say every little detail as God is talking with a little child and i see that the Quran give you the general rules and you can put your law under this general rules which will lead to the same reasons the inheritance law was mentioned in the Quran.which is fairness between family members in inheritance
if every little detail of the laws was mentioned in the Quran that will not be fair to different countries and different cultures and also the changes that happen with time thats the main reason some of the details is left for shura under the general rules(am talking in general not about inheritance)
i will try to clarify how general rules work in the Quran.so do you think that cigarretes is forbidden according to islam?

[annatar]

@ annatar i think now we are getting closer in this issue. i think the difference is that you want the Quran to say every little detail as God is talking with a little child and i see that the Quran give you the general rules and you can put your law under this general rules which will lead to the same reasons the inheritance law was mentioned in the Quran.which is fairness between family members in inheritance
if every little detail of the laws was mentioned in the Quran that will not be fair to different countries and different cultures and also the changes that happen with time thats the main reason some of the details is left for shura under the general rules(am talking in general not about inheritance)
i will try to clarify how general rules work in the Quran.so do you think that cigarretes is forbidden according to islam?

okay you said quran gives general rules. then whythere is a verse something like that;

O you who have believed, do not enter the houses of the Prophet except when you are permitted for a meal, without awaiting its readiness. But when you are invited, then enter; and when you have eaten, disperse without seeking to remain for conversation. Indeed, that [behavior] was troubling the Prophet, and he is shy of [dismissing] you. But Allah is not shy of the truth. And when you ask [his wives] for something, ask them from behind a partition. That is purer for your hearts and their hearts. And it is not [conceivable or lawful] for you to harm the Messenger of Allah or to marry his wives after him, ever. Indeed, that would be in the sight of Allah an enormity.
Azhab 53.(33.53)

there are so many absurd verse like that. but he couldn't afford to add one more verse about that issue while its necessary?,
admit it it. if it was god who sent this book he wouldnt make that mistake.(if it was me i wouldnt do that either.)
you can not fix this error by the way. the way they fix is completely wrong becouse as I said earlier, you are not fixing it you are violating original percentages!!!
please be rational. and dont tell me quran is just giving general rules! actually quran gives so many detail about everything such as muhammeds sexual life or his guests etc.
quran is a book written by a sick selfish tyrant.

[mo3taz3nbar]

there are so many absurd verse like that. but he couldn't afford to add one more verse about that issue while its necessary?,
admit it it. if it was god who sent this book he wouldnt make that mistake.(if it was me i wouldnt do that either.)

two verses give a solution to 115 inheritance situations and you think there is a mistake in it? lol

you can not fix this error by the way. the way they fix is completely wrong becouse as I said earlier, you are not fixing it you are violating original percentages!!!

the percentage between familly members is the same which is the main reason for setting rules of inheritance

please be rational. and dont tell me quran is just giving general rules! actually quran gives so many detail about everything

the verses you quoted above is setting moral rules and how to deal with each other and i think this is not something not important

[downbeatplumb]

admit it it. if it was god who sent this book he wouldnt make that mistake[/quote]

Does god have to be good at maths?

Job description: Creator of all things, sexual guidance councillor and maths whiz.