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RE: Intelligent Design
January 10, 2016 at 7:02 pm
(January 10, 2016 at 6:59 pm)AAA Wrote: (January 10, 2016 at 6:56 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Really? You're a biology major and don't yet grasp the difference between 'theory' and 'fact'?
You might consider changing your major to art history.
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1. I'm not the one claiming it to be fact
2. What did I say that makes you think I don't know the difference?
Because you said that evolutionary theory isn't a fact. News flash: Theories are never, EVER facts. They are structures of ideas used to explain facts.
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RE: Intelligent Design
January 10, 2016 at 7:03 pm
(January 10, 2016 at 6:41 pm)Stimbo Wrote: (January 10, 2016 at 6:32 pm)AAA Wrote: Right like a paper on that topic could get peer review.
What makes you say that?
The dude who first peer reviewed a paper that mentioned intelligent design was demoted, had his access to samples taken away, was put under supervision of others who disliked him, had his religious views investigated, and was eventually pressured to resign. People don't want that to happen to them, so the don't peer review it.
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RE: Intelligent Design
January 10, 2016 at 7:04 pm
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(January 10, 2016 at 7:00 pm)AAA Wrote: (January 10, 2016 at 6:55 pm)Rhythm Wrote: It's not an issue of agreement. You are ignorant in a manner that would be impossible for a bio major....even at a bible college. Again, you agree that the current theory of evolution is a fact. You take issue to abiogenesis (but also believe in it) and common descent. You're welcome.
I don't know if you're high, delusional, or both, but telling me what I believe is not wise when I have been saying the exact opposite this whole thread?
You told us what you believed. For example..you believe that change and mutation are facts. You believe that natural selection is a fact. That -is- the theory of evolution.
Is it tinfoil hat time?
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RE: Intelligent Design
January 10, 2016 at 7:05 pm
(January 10, 2016 at 6:27 pm)Rhythm Wrote: You've called the theory of evolution a fact at least twice in this thread. That doesn't sound very "stricken". Why object to abiogeneisis...when you -also- believe in abiogenesis?
Why are you telling me what I believe? You said you would quote me if I like, which you have not done. You believe that Jesus created the world in six days.
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RE: Intelligent Design
January 10, 2016 at 7:06 pm
(January 10, 2016 at 7:03 pm)AAA Wrote: (January 10, 2016 at 6:41 pm)Stimbo Wrote: What makes you say that?
The dude who first peer reviewed a paper that mentioned intelligent design was demoted, had his access to samples taken away, was put under supervision of others who disliked him, had his religious views investigated, and was eventually pressured to resign. People don't want that to happen to them, so the don't peer review it.
Wow. In addition to theories v facts, you also don't understand peer review. Peer review is not done by an individual, it is done by groups.
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RE: Intelligent Design
January 10, 2016 at 7:07 pm
(January 10, 2016 at 6:17 pm)Rhythm Wrote: (January 9, 2016 at 4:02 pm)AAA Wrote: Change is a fact. Natural selection is a fact. Neo-Darwinian evolution is far from fact. Saying it is a fact does not make it a fact. And biology Done.....
(January 10, 2016 at 1:43 am)AAA Wrote: Natural selection and mutation are fact. Whether they can lead to improved information content in the organism is up for debate.
-and done.
That's twice in one thread you affirmed that the theory of evolution was a fact, in your estimation.
Genetics (mutation/change), check....natural selection, check.
Whats the problem? Natural selection and mutation are facts. This is Modern Synthesis, the theory of evolution. Why did you think you took issue to it...when you clearly don't? Who told you that you did?
The issue I have with it is that mutation degrades genetic information (making it functionless) in every instance!!!!!! It happens but it isn't evolution. it is devolution!
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RE: Intelligent Design
January 10, 2016 at 7:07 pm
Page 53, post 529...asshole.
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RE: Intelligent Design
January 10, 2016 at 7:09 pm
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(January 10, 2016 at 7:02 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (January 10, 2016 at 6:59 pm)AAA Wrote: 1. I'm not the one claiming it to be fact
2. What did I say that makes you think I don't know the difference?
Because you said that evolutionary theory isn't a fact. News flash: Theories are never, EVER facts. They are structures of ideas used to explain facts.
Boru It isn't fact!! That's a true statement. Not in the scientific or common use of the word.
Does evolution explain the fact of the neuromuscular junction? The ATP synthase machine? The tRNA molecule? Signal transduction pathways? Post transcriptional modification? The mechanism by which our sensory organs turn chemical stimuli into electrical impulses? The proteins in the heart? The peptidoglycan formation in the cell walls of gram positive cells? Cyclins? p53? Kinases? Phoshporylating proteins? DNA/RNA polymerase?
Does the fact that their origin and development are not well explained by mutation and natural selection, or are you comfortable waiting for better answers than design to present itself?
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RE: Intelligent Design
January 10, 2016 at 7:11 pm
Make up your mind......you seemed to think that it was a fact just a minute ago.
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RE: Intelligent Design
January 10, 2016 at 7:12 pm
(January 10, 2016 at 7:07 pm)AAA Wrote: (January 10, 2016 at 6:17 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Done.....
-and done.
That's twice in one thread you affirmed that the theory of evolution was a fact, in your estimation.
Genetics (mutation/change), check....natural selection, check.
Whats the problem? Natural selection and mutation are facts. This is Modern Synthesis, the theory of evolution. Why did you think you took issue to it...when you clearly don't? Who told you that you did?
The issue I have with it is that mutation degrades genetic information (making it functionless) in every instance!!!!!! It happens but it isn't evolution. it is devolution!
*chuckle* There is no way you're a biology major. Your claim that mutations makes genetic information functionless is simply wrong. Also, the term 'devolution' is meaningless in biology.
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