Another raaaaaaaaaape!!!

[Mr.wizard]

What responsibility should she take? What do you want from her?

I've been trying to make my point clear, but apparently it's not coming across. What do you think she could do so this doesn't happen agains with another guy?

Not be around a rapist? Nothing she did was an invitation for rape, by that line of thinking she can never be alone with a man in an intimate setting unless she is planning to go all the way.

[Chad32]

That would be a start.

[LadyForCamus]

Acting like an idiot when drunk is a far cry from becoming a rapist.

Not at all when the lines are blurred by a woman in the same shower as you snogging your face off while you're smashed as shit.

Bullshit. We are civilized beings. If you can't stop yourself from physically restraining a woman and forcing yourself on her while she screams and cries, there is something wrong you on a far deeper level then just: "oh, man....I was just so drunk!"

[LadyForCamus]

Acting like an idiot when drunk is a far cry from becoming a rapist.

No, but it can cause you to so stupid things like abuse people. The drunken abusive father is a well known archetype in stories.

I don't know if anyone is debating whether the rapist is to blame. I believe the denbate is more about whether the woman should take some responsibility for her own actions or not.

Well, actually, MY point was that alcohol is certainly not to blame, so let's not use that as a reason to let anyone off the hook. Yes the drunk en, abusive father's behaviors are triggered by the booze lowering his inhibitions, but he is still an ABUSER. Many fathers occasional get drunk but don't abuse their families.

[LadyForCamus]

I've been trying to make my point clear, but apparently it's not coming across. What do you think she could do so this doesn't happen agains with another guy?

Not be around a rapist? Nothing she did was an invitation for rape, by that line of thinking she can never be alone with a man in an intimate setting unless she is planning to go all the way.

EXACTLY. And how fair is this for any woman? Having to feel powerless in any intimate situation. Feeling like she can't expect to enjoy any type of sensual pleasure unless she is prepared to be fully penetrated. That's misogyny at its finest. "I'm a man, don't expect me to be able to stop myself you change your mind."

[LadyForCamus]

*if*

[The Valkyrie]

She exercised poor judgement but did no deserve to be raped. She compounded the error by goinf to social media instead of the cops. Even if the guy is taken to court she has damaged her case.

Rape isn't justifiable under any circumstances. Victim shaming and blaming isn't either.

[CapnAwesome]

If a rape victim consented to sex and then withdrew consent during the act, it's still rape if the person having sex with the victim continues to have sex with them.

It doesn't matter if someone is "asking for it". A person can request sex and then refuse it, even during the act. Consenting to sex doesn't mean you have to go through with the entire act.

I agree, but I'd be pretty skeptical of this particular woman's story. It doesn't seem credible to me at all, someone who's gone through the trauma of rape doesn't put herself in the same situation again and again and again.

[Thumpalumpacus]

It's like watching people walk across a bed of nails.............lol...........

There's definitely some ginger stepping going on here. I won't lie, I'm split on this, with the result being that I don't have enough information to say one way or the other. I was certainly picking my words very carefully in my last post. :holycrap:

[Thumpalumpacus]

You decided to get intimate with a drunk person, and are upset that he didn't stop at the point you wanted to stop. Now I know what he did was wrong, but what she did was also wrong. Rape is not ok, but you should also not put yourself in that kind of position if you aren't planning to go all the way. If you don't want to have sex, don't get naked and start kissing someone. especially someone who is drunk.

Now if a woman just happens to be walking down the street in a revealing outfit, and she gets jumped and raped, I put full blame on the rapists. But there's a difference between a poor innocent victim going about their day, and getting raped, and someone who decided she wants to get naked and kiss a drunk guy, and expecting him to know when to stop.

getting run over by a car is a horrible thing, but if you were playing in the street when it happened it's a little bit your fault. Context is important.

So what...women should be afraid of drunk men? Alcohol turns mentally healthy, social adjusted adults into rapists? A woman can't enjoy an intimate, sensual shower with a man and expect him to stop when she asks him to? Or, if she does ask him to stop she is being unreasonable? Give me a break.

Fact: The first mental faculty impaired by alcohol is judgement.