Another raaaaaaaaaape!!!

[Wyrd of Gawd]

^I agree with this.

I thought it was very disturbing that Pool talked about someone beating the sh*t out of someone else just for being annoying, as if it were normal behavior.

Wisdom from the past:  "If you have good sense, it will show when you speak. But if you are stupid, you will be beaten with a stick."

[Thumpalumpacus]

If you wave a hamburger in front of a guy desperate for food, teasing him with it, he will snatch it from you and eat it. If you don't understand this, you aren't qualified to live in this society.

Yet that doesn't change the fact that he is a thief.

Also, comparing a criminal lust for dominant power, which is what rape is, to such a basic necessity as hunger, is another deeply flawed analogy. It seems that arguing from analogy really isn't working for you. Perhaps you can explain, directly, why her rape (if it happened) is justified? Because that is what this analogy implies.

[ErGingerbreadMandude]

Not only is her behavior harmful to her but harmful to others too. She should've encouraged women to be more responsible about their safety rather than advocating about how she shouldn't be responsible about her safety because she lives in a civilized society. Not only is she further harming herself with her stupidity she is harming other women that have not been put in a situation like this by encouraging them to follow her footsteps.

My whole posts in this thread can be summarized as:
Take responsibility for your own fucking safety. Don't expect others to take responsibility for your safety. And no "I live in a civilized society" is not an argument for not taking responsibility of your own safety.

Furthermore, I really have doubts about her claim. I hope they really look into the situation, review all the evidence before putting the guy in jail. For all I care she could've been using this myriad of attention for her rape campaign. Kind of a convincing coincidence though, conducting a rape campaign which wasn't gaining popularity and then getting raped which conveniently increases her campaign's popularity. Even if her claim is right, she should be given counseling.

[MTL]

I stand by what I said.

Everyone should be held responsible for their actions.

Pool. Even IF she agreed to have sex with him, by him forcing her to do what she didn't want was still rape.

Goddamned idiot.

And I shall give you a story. About 6 years ago a female friend and I had been drinking. She tried it on, I said to her "you're drunk" and sent her home home in a cab that I paid for. That's what men do, they don't go and rape women who are vulnerable.

Both smart, and honourable.  Bravo!!

That is not just what men do...that is what GENTLEMEN do!


If a woman is too drunk to object to sex,
and a man has sex with her, anyways,
(regardless of whether he, himself, is sober, or drunk as well)
...that is rape.

However,

If I, as a woman, get drunk,
and initiate and consent to have sex with a man,
(regardless of whether he, himself, is sober or not)
and then I wake up the next day,
remembering that I consented to it,
and I now regret it,
that, IMO, is NOT rape.

If I can recall consenting to sex,
I'm NOT going to turn around and cry "Rape!"

[b]I will blame myself for getting drunk
and then making bad decisions as a result.

I must be accountable for MY choices, too.


[/b]Now,

I might think he took advantage of me,
depending on the situation,
and was not very honourable

...but that still wouldn't make him a rapist...just a dirtbag.

Note:

Anytime alcohol or drugs are involved,
the sober and/or physically stronger party risks being accused of sexual assault;
the wise thing to do, is to wait until the other party is sober before having sex,
although I'm sure this often doesn't happen.

[Thumpalumpacus]

I will however ignore you if your challenge is directed at me in the form of insults rather than at my beliefs.
Have a good day.

You stupid shit head excuse of a goddamn dumbass. You really don't know how to read English do you? Or is it the comprehension that's giving you trouble? Stop trying to put words into my mouth like an imbecile while you attempt to appear like the hero AF deserves. You shit heads are making me out as some women hater. I love women, I hate shit heads, is that so hard to understand? I know what rape is. I'm not advocating for rape. Holy shit, you really are brainless aren't you? You think I go around raping women that are vulnerable? Jesus fucking Christ man. You don't know shit about me and you're judging me like you've known me from my birth. So stop assuming my persona.

Okay, I know you're feeling pissed off. Stop. Don't comment. This comment was directed at everyone that mistook my intentions.

Seriously? You need to stop posting. You're only looking worse and worse, because now you not only look like a misogynist, you also look like a fucking hypocrite.

[ErGingerbreadMandude]

If you wave a hamburger in front of a guy desperate for food, teasing him with it, he will snatch it from you and eat it. If you don't understand this, you aren't qualified to live in this society.

Yet that doesn't change the fact that he is a thief.

Also, comparing a criminal lust for dominant power, which is what rape is, to such a basic necessity as hunger, is another deeply flawed analogy.  It seems that arguing from analogy really isn't working for you.  Perhaps you can explain, directly, why her rape (if it happened) is justified? Because that is what this analogy implies.

Hell no, man. If her rape did really happen I won't think for a second it is justified.
What I meant to covey through that analogy and my previous posts that she was in fact partly at fault if this really did happen.

[Homeless Nutter]

Yea yea...I'm a horrible person for judging how she deals with her grief I know. But I can't help it. I want to say "everyone deals with grief differently and that's fine". But my mind refuses. Having been raped myself, this sort of thing seems like sensationalizing rape and it hits a raw nerve for me.

It could be all sorts of things. It's the internet - I treat most stories like this one with caution and simply try to avoid being judgmental. She could be f*cked in the head and/or a troll for all I know. But I disagree on principle, that you can't expect a man to stop f*cking. And I don't believe alcohol to be an excuse. Alcohol is not a magic potion - it doesn't make one a rapist, it just allows for temporary disregard for the consequences.

And I'll just reiterate my previous point - what if she did intend to go "all the way" and then during coitus she felt pain, anxiety, or panic, at which she changed her mind and wanted to stop - and the guy didn't. Would that be "par for the course"? Are we saying - if you decide to be intimate with drunk men, you should expect to be abused? Because I think I know a few drunks, who would object to that generalization. Or maybe we should criminalize "intimacy under influence" - since it's immoral and dangerous?

Personally - if I think most women are crazy to sexually engage with some (many) sexually aggressive guys I know, especially in situations, where intoxicants are involved. The whole concept of casual sex with strangers is fairly creepy and greatly disturbs me. It would be easy for me - as a misanthrope - to say that most people "deserve" what they get, for being retarded and doing all sorts of stuff I don't do. Like hitch-hiking - if you do THAT and get chopped up to pieces and buried in the forest - that's a fitting end, as far as I can tell. I mean - getting into a stranger's car, In the middle of nowhere? That IS crazy. And yet millions of people do it worldwide. And when one turns up chopped up - we don't usually say - "Yeah, well - he/she should have known better than to do THAT." And what about Uber? Damn - that's just asking for trouble...

But yeah - I try not to be judgmental...

[MTL]

Let's not forget Charlie Hebdo - which is fitting since it's been almost exactly a year. In a democratic country, with freedom of press, it doesn't matter how many cartoons you draw - you are not guilty of your own murder.

Bravo and Amen to that.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Hell no, man. If her rape did really happen I won't think for a second it is justified.
What I meant to covey through that analogy and my previous posts that she was in fact partly at fault if this really did happen.

The issue is that by pointing out her mistake, which wasn't criminal, and setting it against the alleged rape, which is criminal, insinuates an equivalence.

I agree that she was stupid for putting herself in that situation. But I apportion my attention in this discussion in proportion to the gravity of the mistake. Hers was simple folly; his was criminal. giving them equal time implies equal gravity, and I think that's why you're catching so much grief.

Also, I agree with what Catholic Lady said -- beating the shit out of someone for being annoying is not a normal response at all.

[Losty]

Yea yea...I'm a horrible person for judging how she deals with her grief I know. But I can't help it. I want to say "everyone deals with grief differently and that's fine". But my mind refuses. Having been raped myself, this sort of thing seems like sensationalizing rape and it hits a raw nerve for me.

It could be all sorts of things. It's the internet - I treat most stories like this one with caution and simply try to avoid being judgmental. She could be f*cked in the head and/or a troll for all I know. But I disagree on principle, that you can't expect a man to stop f*cking. And I don't believe alcohol to be an excuse. Alcohol is not a magic potion - it doesn't make one a rapist, it just allows for temporary disregard for the consequences.

And I'll just reiterate my previous point - what if she did intend to go "all the way" and then during coitus she felt pain, anxiety, or panic, at which she changed her mind and wanted to stop - and the guy didn't. Would that be "par for the course"? Are we saying - if you decide to be intimate with drunk men, you should expect to be abused? Because I think I know a few drunks, who would object to that generalization. Or maybe we should criminalize "intimacy under influence" - since it's immoral and dangerous?

Personally - if I think most women are crazy to sexually engage with some (many)  sexually aggressive guys I know, especially in situations, where intoxicants are involved. The whole concept of casual sex with strangers is fairly creepy and greatly disturbs me. It would be easy for me - as a misanthrope - to say that most people "deserve" what they get, for being retarded and doing all sorts of stuff I don't do. Like hitch-hiking - if you do THAT and get chopped up to pieces and buried in the forest - that's a fitting end, as far as I can tell. I mean - getting into a stranger's car, In the middle of nowhere? That IS crazy. And yet millions of people do it worldwide. And when one turns up chopped up - we don't usually say - "Yeah, well - he/she should have known better than to do THAT." And what about Uber? Damn - that's just asking for trouble...

But yeah - I try not to be judgmental...

After the first three sentences...I have no no idea why you're saying the rest to me. If you take the story at face value, the man is a rapist. I never implied otherwise.

When I said she was wrong too, I didn't mean she was at fault for being raped, she wasn't. I meant what she did was also wrong. And it has nothing to do with putting herself in danger. Imagine this story begins the same drunk guy sober girl taking a shower, but ends in "consensual" sex. You know what that'd make her in my mind? A rapist. It doesn't excuse what he did. It doesn't make her at fault for his actions. I'm only saying I think it's morally wrong to do anything sexual with a drunk person. (Obviously there are exceptions like if you're in a relationship or something like that, but even then it's an icky grey area)