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RE: What is 'objective' value?
January 11, 2016 at 5:34 pm
(January 11, 2016 at 5:28 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: (January 11, 2016 at 5:17 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: No, not just human life.
Do you draw a line anywhere? Conscious life? Thinking life? Vertebrate life? .....................
I am not God and don't hold all the answers. Definitely human, animal, and plant life. As far as things like fungus and bacteria go, I really don't know. My guess is probably to some degree, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was some sort of hierarchy. Perhaps all life has inherent value but some have more than others.
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RE: What is 'objective' value?
January 11, 2016 at 5:47 pm
(January 11, 2016 at 5:34 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I am not God and don't hold all the answers. Definitely human, animal, and plant life. As far as things like fungus and bacteria go, I really don't know. My guess is probably to some degree, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was some sort of hierarchy. Perhaps all life has inherent value but some have more than others.
OK, I'm good with that. But doesn't that remove objective and insert subjective?
You should probably include fungus (maybe a bit of a stretch) and bacteria. They are involved in allowing human life.
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RE: What is 'objective' value?
January 11, 2016 at 5:53 pm
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(January 11, 2016 at 5:47 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: (January 11, 2016 at 5:34 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I am not God and don't hold all the answers. Definitely human, animal, and plant life. As far as things like fungus and bacteria go, I really don't know. My guess is probably to some degree, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was some sort of hierarchy. Perhaps all life has inherent value but some have more than others.
OK, I'm good with that. But doesn't that remove objective and insert subjective?
You should probably include fungus (maybe a bit of a stretch) and bacteria. They are involved in allowing human life.
I don't see how that removes objectivity. I believe there is an objective truth regarding the existence or non existence of inherent value in other forms of life. I just don't know what that is.
And yeah, you are correct about fungi/bacteria being involved in human life. The fact that we are all part of this world and each have a role in the circle of life definitely makes a case for those things.
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RE: What is 'objective' value?
January 11, 2016 at 6:08 pm
(January 11, 2016 at 5:53 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I don't see how that removes objectivity. I believe there is an objective truth regarding the existence or non existence of inherent value in other forms of life. I just don't know what that is. Bold mine.
You kind of lost me. Please restate.
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RE: What is 'objective' value?
January 11, 2016 at 6:14 pm
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(January 11, 2016 at 6:08 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: (January 11, 2016 at 5:53 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I don't see how that removes objectivity. I believe there is an objective truth regarding the existence or non existence of inherent value in other forms of life. I just don't know what that is. Bold mine.
You kind of lost me. Please restate.
Lol, sorry. It does sound confusing the way I said that.
What I mean is I still believe there is an objective truth regarding this issue. Whether that be that ALL forms of life have inherent value, or not. So I don't see how objectivity is being removed, like you said. I still think there is an objective answer here.
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RE: What is 'objective' value?
January 11, 2016 at 6:20 pm
(January 11, 2016 at 6:14 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: What I mean is I still believe there is an objective truth regarding this issue. Whether that be that ALL forms of life have inherent value, or not. So I don't see how objectivity is being removed, like you said. I still think there is an objective answer here.
What do you mean by 'objective'?
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RE: What is 'objective' value?
January 11, 2016 at 6:20 pm
Just because humans put their own subjective value to life (all forms) does not negate the validity of inherent and objective value.
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RE: What is 'objective' value?
January 11, 2016 at 6:22 pm
(January 11, 2016 at 6:20 pm)Kingpin Wrote: Just because humans put their own subjective value to life (all forms) does not negate the validity of inherent and objective value.
It doesn't negate it, nor does pointing this out establish it. What is your point here?
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RE: What is 'objective' value?
January 11, 2016 at 6:25 pm
(January 11, 2016 at 6:20 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: (January 11, 2016 at 6:14 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: What I mean is I still believe there is an objective truth regarding this issue. Whether that be that ALL forms of life have inherent value, or not. So I don't see how objectivity is being removed, like you said. I still think there is an objective answer here.
What do you mean by 'objective'?
Exactly what it means.
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RE: What is 'objective' value?
January 11, 2016 at 6:27 pm
(January 11, 2016 at 6:14 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Lol, sorry. It does sound confusing the way I said that.
What I mean is I still believe there is an objective truth regarding this issue. Whether that be that ALL forms of life have inherent value, or not. So I don't see how objectivity is being removed, like you said. I still think there is an objective answer here.
Let me see if I got this. All life (that exists) has an objective value but that value is on a sliding scale (higher for some life forms, lower for others). You're just not sure where on the scale that is for each/any life form. That's not up to you to determine. Am I close?
Sorry, not going to discuss truth. Truth and value are not the same. Objective truth is a whole different subject for debate. I'll stick with objective value.
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