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RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty.
January 20, 2016 at 10:58 pm
(January 20, 2016 at 9:25 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: I'd like to think in his final moments, he is able to comprehend and empathize with the suffering he caused his victim. Maybe feel some sincere sense of regret. If not, then at least he won't be able to viciously take another life. And if he WAS in control of his actions, then HE is responsible for the pain that his family is suffering, not society. This is especially the case for any criminal who has committed a pre meditated murder.
This is something which I would expect a "person of faith" to say! Of course, what he was thinking is information lost; now, if he was still in prison, he would have at least the possibility of expressing such regrets.
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Atheism & the Death Penalty.
January 20, 2016 at 11:08 pm
(January 20, 2016 at 10:58 pm)Jehanne Wrote: (January 20, 2016 at 9:25 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: I'd like to think in his final moments, he is able to comprehend and empathize with the suffering he caused his victim. Maybe feel some sincere sense of regret. If not, then at least he won't be able to viciously take another life. And if he WAS in control of his actions, then HE is responsible for the pain that his family is suffering, not society. This is especially the case for any criminal who has committed a pre meditated murder.
This is something which I would expect a "person of faith" to say! Of course, what he was thinking is information lost; now, if he was still in prison, he would have at least the possibility of expressing such regrets.
Haha, no person of faith here! IMO, providing a murderer with an opportunity to express -anything- is more of an opportunity than he afforded his victims. Maybe prison is punishment; or maybe it's a place to get a college education. To me, the ultimate price to pay for sadistically taking life is to forfeit one's own life. People like that have no business maintaining a pulse.
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RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty.
January 20, 2016 at 11:42 pm
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RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty.
January 20, 2016 at 11:45 pm
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(January 20, 2016 at 8:39 pm)Beccs Wrote: Considering my occupation I always get jumped on when I say this.
I support the death penalty for truly vile crimes and only if there's absolutely no doubt.
Saying that: I'm a strong believer that a "life" sentence should mean just that: Life, not released after 10-20 years. If you've deliberately taken someone's life then you should end up in jail until they carry you out in a box.
Absolutely no doubt? Is there really absolutely no doubt on anything? Much as the prosecuting attorneys hate the brainy, scientific types, and would probably never choose you for their jury on account of that, a truly just decision on questions of fact can only be made through scientific processes, and science has no room for absolutes. Which is why wherever the death penalty is applied for any crime, it's not a question of will an innocent person be dragged into the death chamber, protesting his innocence to the end, crying, soiling himself from the horror as he is put down miserably like a dog - no, the question is which innocent person will the "justice" department do that to. If the system isn't good enough to prevent that from happening to any innocent person, ever, then it should never, ever take such an unretractable action against anyone.
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RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty.
January 20, 2016 at 11:47 pm
Quote:People like that have no business maintaining a pulse.
If only the system wasn't so corrupt. Aye. There's the rub.
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RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty.
January 21, 2016 at 12:04 am
(January 20, 2016 at 11:08 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: (January 20, 2016 at 10:58 pm)Jehanne Wrote: This is something which I would expect a "person of faith" to say! Of course, what he was thinking is information lost; now, if he was still in prison, he would have at least the possibility of expressing such regrets.
Haha, no person of faith here! IMO, providing a murderer with an opportunity to express -anything- is more of an opportunity than he afforded his victims. Maybe prison is punishment; or maybe it's a place to get a college education. To me, the ultimate price to pay for sadistically taking life is to forfeit one's own life. People like that have no business maintaining a pulse.
Funny how people who don't believe in a god talk as if they had god-like ability to decide who is innocent and who is guilty. While I'm willing to bet all that there is no god, there's a much better chance than this that the next person to be executed in America will be innocent of the crime he or she was convicted of. In fact, there is quite a rich history of people whose convictions were overturned posthumously. Too many for my stomach, which is why I won't get behind any legislation which doesn't prohibit this.
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RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty.
January 21, 2016 at 1:09 am
(January 20, 2016 at 1:13 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote: From a purely logistical stand point I voted in limited circumstances.
Our prisons are too full and some people really, really deserve to die. Win/Win
Prison overpopulation can be handled far easier by reducing sentencing for/not incarcerating non-violent offenders, releasing three strike inmates who are in for three drug possession felonies and other non-violent inmates, etc...
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RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty.
January 21, 2016 at 1:13 am
(January 21, 2016 at 1:09 am)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote: (January 20, 2016 at 1:13 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote: From a purely logistical stand point I voted in limited circumstances.
Our prisons are too full and some people really, really deserve to die. Win/Win
Prison overpopulation can be handled far easier by reducing sentencing for/not incarcerating non-violent offenders, releasing three strike inmates who are in for three drug possession felonies and other non-violent inmates, etc...
True. Less chance of happening though.
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RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty.
January 21, 2016 at 5:01 am
It pays to remember that in the USA cops executed at least 1,204 Americans in 2015. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national...-1.2503236
And the LA cops routinely frame people for murder. The city forked over $24 million to two guys the thug cops framed for murder. The guys spent decades in prisons because of the lying cops and the dummies on the juries who believed the lies. http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me...story.html
The old Catholics and Jews on the Supreme Court love to fry people. [email=http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-supreme-court-death-penalty-20160120-story.html]http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-supreme-court-death-penalty-20160120-story.html[/email]
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RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty.
January 21, 2016 at 9:43 am
(January 21, 2016 at 1:13 am)RaphielDrake Wrote: (January 21, 2016 at 1:09 am)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote: Prison overpopulation can be handled far easier by reducing sentencing for/not incarcerating non-violent offenders, releasing three strike inmates who are in for three drug possession felonies and other non-violent inmates, etc...
True. Less chance of happening though.
When that's the answer every time the right solution to any problem is suggested, then what are the chances of the right actions ever being done?
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