TBR starts The Quran Reloaded!

[robvalue]

They were joking, as I've made clear before. I've listened to these guys for over a year now. I have a good idea about when they are joking and when they're not. If they were bigots, I wouldn't be listening to them.

[WinterHold]

Green? Da fuq?

Well, Martians are welcome to believe in any religion they want, or be atheists, I'm sure.

Ah, now I was the one who is joking, it was a small joke -_-
And no ! Martians are not green; you are obviously mistaking Reptilian shapeshifters with Martians. Martians are black.

Reptilians :



Martians :



Don't believe what the media is saying about Martians !
The media is run by Reptilian shapshifters who want to convince us that green is Martian !

Robvalue

I don't believe you would post bigotry or insults towards others, rob. 
I'm just sensitive around racial stuff.

[robvalue]

Sure, no problem. Indeed, I take responsibility for what I post and if the content really is offensive, I'd want to know about it.

Of course, everything is down to interpretation. I can't speak for other people. But I feel I know these guys and how they operate. They have the same attitude as me, they want to see bigotry ended. They have a very reasonable attitude towards theists in general, they don't paint them with a broad brush. Of course, they make jokes about it, pretending that they do.

[ReptilianPeon]

I must apologize for my earlier contradictory statements. Now that that is out of way, I can start commenting again. I apologize in advance to my fellow Kuffar for any jargon (technical language) you may see.

So maybe there's no Ijma regarding alcohol. Fine. But can we really say that there is consensus on any issue besides the basic tenants (such as five pillars)? People's biases will always play a role in the reading of Iayh and the Fiqh. Yet you make it sound as though there is grand conspiracy between the Madhhab and that they are all corrupted? You really think that alcohol banning is part of Bid‘ah or something?


Abdullah Yusuf Ali's Quran is one of the monster popular - if not the most popular English language Quran. If there was really that much wrong with it then don't you think that people would have known by now? Sir Ali (he was knighted) was a good man. And, last I checked, Ishmalis (he was Dawoodi Bohra) were mostly reasonable people - far from the Fascist Salafis/Wahaabis. You have no evidence that Abdullah's thinking was clouded by Fatwas.

Obviously Allah is not human. I'm not claiming Allah is human. But I like your wording, and, yes, I think that Allah is a drama-queen. Non-human animals can be drama-queens too, but nobody claims that they are "human".

I am merely observing the actions of Allah and making a judgement. Nobody accuses our universe of being a bully because the universe is not conscious. Our universe doesn't claim to care about us. The universe isn't thinking: "Time to throw another huge rock in the direction of the Earth", because it can't. But Allah does claim to consciously intervene in the affairs of humanity; we've seen it many times. e.g. Noah, Pharaoh and Abraham.

Speaking of Abraham. If Allah knows everything, then why did Allah need to "test"Abraham? Surely, Allah knows Abraham better than Abraham knows himself. And child killing? Seriously? People in Jahiliyyah did that sort of thing (killing their children) and thought Muhammad was supposed to be against that sort of thing, yet he's preaching about Allah telling a person to kill their child.

We were designed for this universe - not the other way around. In fact, humans are far from being perfectly designed. But we can adapt to the universe.

You can start learning about Zarathustra here (I also aim to purchase the book "Zoroastrians: Their Beliefs And Practices"):
The Zoroastrian Foundation of Modern Religion w/ Dr. Robert Price
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAJVKbVRPZU

[Mystic]

Those astray in Suratal Fatiha doesn't refer to those lead astray by God in other verses, the latter is about those who God's wrath is upon, while the former there is verses about the concept of those without power to reject Prophets or Chosen ones nor in their current state can find the way to the truth so as to believe in it. Of course, all those who God's wrath is upon are astray, but astray includes people who God's wrath is not upon.

[dyresand]

They did a new episode on drinking your fathers cum... Seriously i almost threw up watching it...

[WinterHold]

So maybe there's no Ijma regarding alcohol. Fine. But can we really say that there is consensus on any issue besides the basic tenants (such as five pillars)? People's biases will always play a role in the reading of Iayh and the Fiqh. Yet you make it sound as though there is grand conspiracy between the Madhhab and that they are all corrupted? You really think that alcohol banning is part of Bid‘ah or something?

I brought you a proof MNMP, that alcohol was being consumed regularly in Islamic history, and hence : it is documented that Abassyd caliphates used to consume it.

In case you missed the link, here it is again :

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree...st-alcohol

Numerous prominent Muslims throughout the ages drank alcohol. Even caliphs, such as the Abbasid ruler Haroun al-Rashid of  fame, were reputed to indulge, despite their title of "commanders of the faithful".

Please, as a piece of advice : don't use the "consensus " argument, because this is the same exact argument the Sunna & Shia use before beheading their victims.

Abdullah Yusuf Ali's Quran is one of the monster popular - if not the most popular English language Quran. If there was really that much wrong with it then don't you think that people would have known by now? Sir Ali (he was knighted) was a good man. And, last I checked, Ishmalis (he was Dawoodi Bohra) were mostly reasonable people - far from the Fascist Salafis/Wahaabis. You have no evidence that Abdullah's thinking was clouded by Fatwas.

If that's so, I'm deeply saddened for the world; that a Shia is leading the scene as their favorite translator.
A Shia, who believes in this :

http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/2350...aliphates/

and this :







I am deeply saddend, that a person adapting such a twisted faith is leading the scene in Quranic translation. That, MNMP, if I gave your words any credibility  (for him being a good man).

And I thought you hated the Sauds ? you know, Britain (which knighted the Shia scholar) is the same Britain that created Saudi Arabia and protected the Wahhabi evil for so long ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Darin 

Please, one thing I dislike the most, is focusing on one side and ignoring the other. If you criticize the Wahhabi faith, also look to the left to the Shia faith which is built on pure grudge, hatered and racism. 

Shia Muslims are a minority for a reason. A person with a normal stomach, would not be able to digest the amounts of racism and hate in their faith. I thought you were aware of their faith. A faith that wants to dig the dead bodies of people from graves, and torture it xD Good man ? that I doubt so very much .

Were you a shia muslim before you lose faith, MNMP ?

 I am merely observing the actions of Allah and making a judgement. Nobody accuses our universe of being a bully because the universe is not conscious. Our universe doesn't claim to care about us. The universe isn't thinking: "Time to throw another huge rock in the direction of the Earth", because it can't. But Allah does claim to consciously intervene in the affairs of humanity; we've seen it many times. e.g. Noah, Pharaoh and Abraham.

And again,  you apply a human trait on God.
Isn't conscious defined as being : awareness of and responding to one's surroundings ?

God is the creator of awareness; hence the "surrounding". In other words; you cannot have a consciousness in the void, and indeed you can't have it unless you had surroundings to start with.I don't think that the word consciousness can be applied to God.

Your observation criteria is painted ( and tainted) by human projection. It's not abstract enough. 

Speaking of Abraham. If Allah knows everything, then why did Allah need to "test"Abraham? Surely, Allah knows Abraham better than Abraham knows himself. And child killing? Seriously? People in Jahiliyyah did that sort of thing (killing their children) and thought Muhammad was supposed to be against that sort of thing, yet he's preaching about Allah telling a person to kill their child.

We were designed for this universe - not the other way around. In fact, humans are far from being perfectly designed. But we can adapt to the universe.

Allah is more just and more divine, to act like a puppet master who creates a puppet show.

The scene was made to test Abraham. It's about Abraham, not God. It's Abraham's destiny, not God's.
Who cares if God knew or didn't know ? It's all about Abraham.

So, even if Allah knew, it's all on Abraham to act.

Ah, you think God controlled like a puppet master ? Actually, Abraham acted that way, by himself. Allah didn't force him . Knowing, is not forcing.
"Letting it happen" is in itself means : approve it to take place in the case of God.

I think you contradict yourself yet again -and so as many atheists- when you denounce God for controlling life and death, yet denounce him again for letting thins like the story of Abraham happen.

So, at one time you want God to be the puppet master. And another, you want him to let things be. I can never get it.

And, allah didn't ask Abraham to sacrifice his kid. Eventually, Abraham didn't do it !
So, please complete the story. The story, in its complete form, doesn't end with butchering anybody. It's about how Abraham believed, along with his son, in a harsh vision. And also, it's more honest to quote Abraham when he asked his son for his opinion about the whole thing.

[Bob Kelso]

Yeah, the thought that Hugo and Jake are bigots is fucking laughable. Two nicer guys you probably couldn't find, I've only seen them act like anything other than that to douchebags. (Source: I've listened to all of their content thus far)

They have some lewd and "offensive" humor, sure, but it's just that; humor.

[WinterHold]

Yeah, the thought that Hugo and Jake are bigots is fucking laughable. Two nicer guys you probably couldn't find, I've only seen them act like anything other than that to douchebags. (Source: I've listened to all of their content thus far)

They have some lewd and "offensive" humor, sure, but it's just that; humor.

Remind me to shame you in front of others, making people laugh at your skin color, then retreat to the famous : "I joke I joke !! I kid I kid !!!!!!!"
Where did I hear that before ?





Triumph, the puppet dog !!! is that you ??

[Bob Kelso]

Sounds like someone needs to grow a thicker skin. Christ, man, cry me a river.