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RE: Myth, liberals hate the private sector.
January 27, 2016 at 7:35 pm
(January 27, 2016 at 6:13 pm)Bella Morte Wrote: (January 27, 2016 at 6:10 pm)Cecelia Wrote: And when you have no choice?
For example if you want internet, your choices are typically limited.
Well, things cost money and corporations who provide the services obviously want money and fucking lots of it. Now I am pretty left-wing myself, but the Internet (as it stands and to my knowledge) is a privilege not a right. If you can't afford it, then tough luck.
Actually some constitutions already have the right to access the internet as a fundamental right. In a world where you can do almost anything trough the internet, including paying your bills, finding a job, bank transfers, buying stuff, etc - It's inevitable that it becomes a right and not just a commodity.
Also, your argument becomes invalid in cases of monopoly or when companies are owned by the same people and you don't really have a choice - Market externalities, small companies are automatically crushed, big companies remain with monopolies and screw over consumers, etc.
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RE: Myth, liberals hate the private sector.
January 27, 2016 at 7:47 pm
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RE: Myth, liberals hate the private sector.
January 27, 2016 at 7:48 pm
Truth, CL hates liberals.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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RE: Myth, liberals hate the private sector.
January 27, 2016 at 7:52 pm
(January 27, 2016 at 7:48 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Truth, CL hates liberals.
I never understood what is a liberal. I believe both conservatives and "liberals" support liberalism, because both support a capitalist economy and a society build on individual rights, freedom and personal choice, even if both parties have different interpretations. IMO, if you're not anti-capitalist, you default to being a liberal because you need liberalism to support capitalism. Conservatives are much closer to liberals than with socialists, communists, 3rdpositionists and other rightists, technocrats and so on - Most of what they argue about is pointless and constitutes a minimal difference.
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RE: Myth, liberals hate the private sector.
January 27, 2016 at 8:07 pm
(January 27, 2016 at 7:48 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Truth, CL hates liberals.
I don't know about hate. There are definitely some things I don't understand. Probably never will or will choose not to.
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RE: Myth, liberals hate the private sector.
January 27, 2016 at 8:07 pm
(January 27, 2016 at 7:48 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Truth, CL hates liberals.
Boo!
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RE: Myth, liberals hate the private sector.
January 27, 2016 at 8:42 pm
Brian you crack me up. How is that story evidence of liberals liking the private sector?
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RE: Myth, liberals hate the private sector.
January 27, 2016 at 8:44 pm
(January 27, 2016 at 7:52 pm)Dystopia Wrote: (January 27, 2016 at 7:48 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Truth, CL hates liberals.
I never understood what is a liberal. I believe both conservatives and "liberals" support liberalism, because both support a capitalist economy and a society build on individual rights, freedom and personal choice, even if both parties have different interpretations. IMO, if you're not anti-capitalist, you default to being a liberal because you need liberalism to support capitalism. Conservatives are much closer to liberals than with socialists, communists, 3rdpositionists and other rightists, technocrats and so on - Most of what they argue about is pointless and constitutes a minimal difference.
Yeah, it America both the Conservatives and Liberals largely believe in a mixed economy of both the private sector and the government. The difference between them in vastly overstated.
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RE: Myth, liberals hate the private sector.
January 27, 2016 at 10:02 pm
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I don't hate the private sector. I just want to neuter it, put a bell on it and put it to work for the general good. 
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RE: Myth, liberals hate the private sector.
January 27, 2016 at 10:03 pm
(January 27, 2016 at 8:07 pm)Minimalist Wrote: (January 27, 2016 at 7:48 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Truth, CL hates liberals.
Boo!
Lol, I was trolling of course. I'm not a very political person. Right wing on some issues, left on others, no idea on most haha.
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