Indonesian Atheist

[viocjit]

Hello ! I have a question. What do you risk if Indonesian authorities learn that you're an Atheist ?
Is this true that Atheists can be jailed ?

I read somewhere (I don't remember where) that people who aren't disciple of a religion include in Pancasila can face to prosecutions.

For those who don't know what is pancasila : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pancasila_%28politics%29

[Regina]

Damn, you're brave

Welcome

[Wrikudoro]

To answer the question:

Some background: We did have this fear about 'hidden dangers of communism' (which people wrongfully associated with atheism), and we did have history where people who were accused of being a communist, were killed off (the accusations might be unsubstantiated, word of mouth is enough). It was almost like witch hunt, where you were tortured into confession to be ultimately executed. Even civilians can do these executions. Government is trying to appear like this part of history nonexistant though. You can see the whole situation here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian...E2%80%9366

But, that was the story from the New Order government that ended in 1998. In Reformation era (1998 - today), people are more informed about what communism actually is, although it still not in a very good light. Educated people tend to see communism as a just a thing that exist, but doesn't need to be fear as much as it was once.

Now, to become an openly atheistic, from what I see, there's no real danger. I don't think we have specific law to regulate what will happen to people who don't believe. Like homosexuality, people here tend to think (subconciously) that Indonesian cannot be homosexual or atheist. It's a 'western influence'. We are religious, and all that bullsh*t. But, so far, I never see people executed for being atheistic. I have a lot of atheistic friends who openly doesn't go to church or mosque or take 5 times prayer and people are OK with it. Maybe as long as you don't say the A word, you're going to be fine.

But that also maybe have something to do with where I live. I live in a big city where people doesn't really care of what you do as long as it doesn't affect their lives. In smaller city or areas, that would be a huge problem, but not fatal. You might be socially outcasted, bullied or even disowned, but no executions.

I hope that answers your question. Feel free to ask more if something's not clear.

[robvalue]

Heya, just letting you know Wrik that your posts weren't showing up because they had been mistakenly picked up by our spam filter.

If anyone finds their posts not showing up, this could well be the reason! If so, contact a member of staff and they can sort it out for you.

[Wrikudoro]

Hello ! I have a question. What do you risk if Indonesian authorities learn that you're an Atheist ?
Is this true that Atheists can be jailed ?

I read somewhere (I don't remember where) that people who aren't disciple of a religion include in Pancasila can face to prosecutions.

For those who don't know what is pancasila : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pancasila_%28politics%29

Heya, just letting you know Wrik that your posts weren't showing up because they had been mistakenly picked up by our spam filter.

If anyone finds their posts not showing up, this could well be the reason! If so, contact a member of staff and they can sort it out for you.

 
Oh yes, I wonder why. But I pasted my reply to quick reply and it's fine.

[Wrikudoro]

It seems that I can't reply to specific people but can quick reply. I wonder why

[robvalue]

I think it's because you're quoting someone who has used a link, and it's thinking you're putting in that link yourself. (We have a rule where members generally shouldn't post external links until they have been here 30 days and have 30 posts.)

You could just delete the link from inside the quote, and replace it with [link] or something. That way it won't get caught up. But we do check to see if posts have been filtered out, and we approve them if there is no problem. They just won't appear right away. You can always PM us if you're unsure

[SofaKingHigh]

Welcome Wrik, my lips to yours.

[Wrikudoro]

I think it's because you're quoting someone who has used a link, and it's thinking you're putting in that link yourself. (We have a rule where members generally shouldn't post external links until they have been here 30 days and have 30 posts.)

You could just delete the link from inside the quote, and replace it with [link] or something. That way it won't get caught up. But we do check to see if posts have been filtered out, and we approve them if there is no problem. They just won't appear right away. You can always PM us if you're unsure

Ah OK. I'm really sorry for that. Thanks for the info

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Hello ! I have a question. What do you risk if Indonesian authorities learn that you're an Atheist ?
Is this true that Atheists can be jailed ?

I read somewhere (I don't remember where) that people who aren't disciple of a religion include in Pancasila can face to prosecutions.

I'll try to answer this again, then:

Some background: We did have this fear about 'hidden dangers of communism' (which people wrongfully associated with atheism), and we did have history where people who were accused of being a communist, were killed off (the accusations might be unsubstantiated, word of mouth is enough). It was almost like witch hunt, where you were tortured into confession to be ultimately executed. Even civilians can do these executions. Government is trying to appear like this part of history nonexistant though.

But, that was the story from the New Order government that ended in 1998. In Reformation era (1998 - today), people are more informed about what communism actually is, although it still not in a very good light. Educated people tend to see communism as a just a thing that exist, but doesn't need to be fear as much as it was once. 

Now, to become an openly atheistic, from what I see, there's no real danger. I don't think we have specific law to regulate what will happen to people who don't believe. Like homosexuality, people here tend to think (subconciously) that Indonesian cannot be homosexual or atheist. It's a 'western influence'. We are religious, and all that bullsh*t. But, so far, I never see people executed for being atheistic. I have a lot of atheistic friends who openly doesn't go to church or mosque or take 5 times prayer and people are OK with it. Maybe as long as you don't say the A word, you're going to be fine.

But that also maybe have something to do with where I live. I live in a big city where people doesn't really care of what you do as long as it doesn't affect their lives. In smaller city or areas, that would be a huge problem, but not fatal. You might be socially outcasted, bullied or even disowned, but no executions. 

I hope that answers your question. Feel free to ask more if something's not clear.