2-big bang theory in the Quran

[mo3taz3nbar]

@darwanian i dont understand what is your problem? in the Quran it is said that there is not only one sky as was thought but 7 skies above each other and its pretty clear in the verse.if there is something you dont understand or you think am doing something just ask me and i will clarify

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@DeistPaladin i will give you a little example for what happenned in the bible we both say that the world was created in six days which in hebrew (youm) means a certain period of time when they start writing the bible by their hands they mentioned that the creation was in six days and they start adding their words and the knowledge they have according to their time and they ended talking about sun and moon which meant that everything was created in 6 days(24 hour day) which is impossible this is the kind of mistakes happen when people write something and tell it is from god.i dont want to get in more details about the bible as it is not the subject i just wanted to explain this shortly and also explain that the Quran contains the original words of the enjeel and torah it contains all the word of god.
what about point 3 and 4 in the main thread????

[Darwinian]

@darwanian i dont understand what is your problem? in the Quran it is said that there is not only one sky as was thought but 7 skies above each other and its pretty clear in the verse.if there is something you dont understand or you think am doing something just ask me and i will clarify

I completely fail to see any connection with a statement from your book about 7 skies and current string theory.

What do you actually know about string theory?

[mo3taz3nbar]

I completely fail to see any connection with a statement from your book about 7 skies and current string theory.

the verse i mentioned state that there is not only one sky but there is 7 skies each one is upper the other as mentioned in the video but they dont know yet how many skies is there all they know that there is multiverse not universe as thought before and he also mentioned the flatness of our universe as i mentioned in point 4 in the main thread

[Darwinian]

The video mentioned NOTHING about 7 skies, it was talking about the 'possibility' of black holes containing their own universes. If this is true and it is a long way to being proved, that means that there are trillions of 'other' universes other there with the possibility of each one containing further trillions and so on, not 7 as you think your book claims, which of course it doesn't.

[mo3taz3nbar]

The video mentioned NOTHING about 7 skies, it was talking about the 'possibility' of black holes containing their own universes. If this is true and it is a long way to being proved, that means that there are trillions of 'other' universes other there with the possibility of each one containing further trillions and so on, not 7 as you think your book claims, which of course it doesn't.

as this is not something we can argue about as it is still a mystery so i will just explain what the Quran says and lets hope they prove this when we are still alive

1-there is not only one universe or world:
"All praise is due to Allah, the Lord of the Worlds."(Quran 1:2)
the world here is plural

2-there is 7 skies above each other:
"He Who created the seven heavens one above another: No want of proportion wilt thou see in the Creation of ((Allah)) Most Gracious."(Quran 67:3)
the sky is the place above us that contains the stars and the planets there are 7 of these above each other

and i also hope to hear a reasonable comment from you on the 3 points i mentioned in the main thread

[Darwinian]

1:2 Praise be to Allah, Lord of the Worlds

This could mean absolutely anything. It could mean other planets, land masses, countries, tribes, faiths, you name it. How you get from this the existence of a multiverse is a serious case of making the text fit the facts after the event.

67:3 He who created the seven heavens in layers. You will not find any flaw in the creation of the All-Merciful. Look again – do you see any gaps?

Not one of the authentic translations I found contained the word 'Universe', only those that are considered 'controversial' but even if they did it still means nothing. As I said before, if M theory does find other universes then there will be trillions of them at least, not seven and they certainly won't be layered in the way you think. Micheo was just using the sheets of paper as a crude example for a hypothetical 2 dimensional universe.

You must see that all you are doing is to take current scientific discoveries and desperately trying to make them fit into your beliefs.

And just for your information, the concept of a 'multiverse' was being hotly discussed by early Greek Atomists many centuries before the Qu'ran was even thought about. So, even if you can stretch your imagination far enough to believe that your book is talking about many universes I'm afraid that the ancient Greeks got there way, way before the Qu'ran!

[mo3taz3nbar]

1:2 Praise be to Allah, Lord of the Worlds

This could mean absolutely anything. It could mean other planets, land masses, countries, tribes, faiths, you name it. How you get from this the existence of a multiverse is a serious case of making the text fit the facts after the event.

it means that there is other worlds like our world the other things you mentioned is not apllicable to the word world

67:3 He who created the seven heavens in layers. You will not find any flaw in the creation of the All-Merciful. Look again – do you see any gaps?

Not one of the authentic translations I found contained the word 'Universe', only those that are considered 'controversial' but even if they did it still means nothing.

the word universe itself according to the latest theories is wrong.the word used in the Quran to refer to everything is the heavens and the earth and what is between them

As I said before, if M theory does find other universes then there will be trillions of them at least, not seven and they certainly won't be layered in the way you think. Micheo was just using the sheets of paper as a crude example for a hypothetical 2 dimensional universe.

there is a lot of possibilities you cant assume what they will found and its pointless to even argue about this lets just wait to see what the scientists will discover.and for now lets just concentrate on the things already discovered and explained if you want to reach a result and not just baseless arguments.also check the link in the main thread about the universe being flat and correct me if the link contains wrong information

You must see that all you are doing is to take current scientific discoveries and desperately trying to make them fit into your beliefs.

i was just answering one of the members who was commenting on why am correcting the single and the plural of the word heaven and thats what happen when we talk about something that is still a mystery to us

And just for your information, the concept of a 'multiverse' was being hotly discussed by early Greek Atomists many centuries before the Qu'ran was even thought about. So, even if you can stretch your imagination far enough to believe that your book is talking about many universes I'm afraid that the ancient Greeks got there way, way before the Qu'ran!

i didnt bring this you can get back to see the main subject.when i claim something i search about any ancient saying about it before i post it as i know that this is the simplest way to answer my claims but because the talking about the multiverse wasnt the main post so i didnt search about what ancient say about it all i know that there was a muslim scientist who claimed this by using the Quran from about 800 years.
why you leave the main subject of the thread and keep arguing about something that is not discovered yet if you really want to be objective see first the things that we know about as there you will find an answer wether the Quran is the truth or it was just written by someone. later when these things are discovered and established you can get back to see wether the Quran contain errors or contain scientific details that was impossible to be known from 1400 years

[Ashendant]

What do you say if i regard the descriptions in the Q'uran about the development of fetus as a data gained from observation

[mo3taz3nbar]

What do you say if i regard the descriptions in the Q'uran about the development of fetus as a data gained from observation

why you are talking about other things which is not the subject?? in later thread i will discuss this in details but if you are interested to know it now i can try to find you a link that explain this in details. but for now i hope we can discuss the subject of the main thread and i hope that you can give me a reasonable explanation on how could someone who lived 1400 years ago know anything about the three points i mentioned in the main thread

[Darwinian]

What do you say if i regard the descriptions in the Q'uran about the development of fetus as a data gained from observation

why you are talking about other things which is not the subject?? in later thread i will discuss this in details but if you are interested to know it now i can try to find you a link that explain this in details. but for now i hope we can discuss the subject of the main thread and i hope that you can give me a reasonable explanation on how could someone who lived 1400 years ago know anything about the three points i mentioned in the main thread

Do you not understand how a discussion forum works. People discuss things and naturally discussions flow into different areas.

As to how someone who lived 1400 years ago could know anything about things that have only recently been discovered, specifically Muhammed and the Qu'ran then the answer is simple. He couldn't and he didn't and his scribblings are so vague that they could be applied to almost anything that was later discovered, or, as Ash said, these were things that were already known about.