It's Always Sunny - evolution versus Christianity

[FatAndFaithless]

He actually thinks two humans lived for 900+ years, that's what he believes.

[SofaKingHigh]

Sorry, I missed where I said that....... could you point that out for me, the bit where I said that a huge population of humans came from nowhere?  Or are you creating a big man made from straw?

Anyhoo, I must admit, I'm no subject matter expert here......but the most basic understanding of genetics leads even a layman like me to suggest that thinking the entire human race came from 2 people to be a special kind of stupid.

Look Genius,

My brother in-law breeds dogs (American bully's), There is a lot of inbreeding early on, which is how you solidify traits that you want.

http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/inbreeding.htm

Inbreeding is the mating together of closely related dogs, for example mother/son, father/daughter and sibling/sibling matings. For breeders, it is a useful way of fixing traits in a breed—the pedigrees of some exhibition dogs show that many of their forebears are closely related. For example, there is a famous cat by the name of Fan Tee Cee (shown in the 1960s and 1970s) who has appeared in more and more Siamese pedigrees, sometimes several times in a single pedigree, as breeders were anxious to make their lines more typey. Superb specimens are always much sought-after for stud services or offspring (unless they have already been neutered!), having won the approval of show judges.


However, inbreeding holds potential problems. The limited gene pool caused by continued inbreeding means that deleterious genes become widespread and the breed loses vigor. Laboratory animal suppliers depend on this to create uniform strains of animal which are immuno-depressed or breed true for a particular disorder, e.g. epilepsy. Such animals are so inbred as to be genetically identical (clones!), a situation normally only seen in identical twins. Similarly, a controlled amount of inbreeding can be used to fix desirable traits in farm livestock, e.g. milk yield, lean/fat ratios, rate of growth, etc.

Now The bible says we started with 2 humans, and those humans lived over 900+ years, currently we're lucky if we live to 90.

Do the math.

 

Yes, yes.........because your brother breeds American bulldogs........ 

Best.Answer. Ever.

[SofaKingHigh]

He actually thinks two humans lived for 900+ years, that's what he believes.

Oh, I've seen that before.

But the comparison with breeding bully's....I nearly passed a stone.

Brilliant.

Thanks Hugmeister, made my day. 

[Huggy Bear]

Huggy, it doesn't seem like you actually have a coherent grasp of what you believe.  Saying things like, 'the way science spins it,' and 'the scientific version of,' only highlights your ignorance.   There does not exist multiple, equally plausible versions of the theory of evolution for people to pick and choose from depending on what sounds good to them.  There is only the correct description which arose from the scientific method, and is supported by evidence.  If your personal interpretation differs, then you are simply wrong.

*emphasis mine*

Key word being "THEORY".

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/theory

Full Definition of theory

plural the·o·ries

   1:  the analysis of a set of facts in their relation to one another
   2:  abstract thought :  speculation
   3:  the general or abstract principles of a body of fact, a science, or an art <music theory>
   4 a :  a belief, policy, or procedure proposed or followed as the basis of action <her method is based on the theory that all children want to learn>
      b :  an ideal or hypothetical set of facts, principles, or circumstances —often used in the phrase in theory <in theory, we have always advocated freedom for all>
   5:  a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena <the wave theory of light>
   6 a :  a hypothesis assumed for the sake of argument or investigation
      b :  an unproved assumption :  conjecture
      c :  a body of theorems presenting a concise systematic view of a subject <theory of equations>

There is only the correct description which arose from the scientific method, and is supported by evidence.  If your personal interpretation differs, then you are simply wrong.

Evolution (the scientific version) has never been subjected to the scientific method, because that would require it to actually be OBSERVED. Point me to the experiment showing an ape evolving to a human.

[FatAndFaithless]

Oh lord this again. It's like the same dozen posts used over and over, and then any sort of response or link or reference is just dismissed.

[LadyForCamus]

So, that makes a lot of sense, If you're stupid..............

Actually no,

It makes perfect mathematical sense, the human race had to start somewhere.

You seem to think a huge population of humans Just appeared out of nowhere. Now that's a special kind of stupid.

This is what you think the scientific community proposes? That a "huge population of humans just appeared out of nowhere"? Lol, you are hilarious.

I mean, even if that WERE the scientific consensus, how could that possibly be absurd to you? You believe an all-powerful, supernatural being created the universe, earth, humans, and every species (genus, baramin, whatever the fuck you want to call it) that exists on it. If he is capable of creating all of this, why is it then a ridiculous notion to you that could create an entire population of humans at once? In fact, since he is all-powerful, why didn't he?

Kinda seems like evolution would be superfluous in the face of the omnipotent, judeo-Christian God. Or, kinda seems like the idea of the Judeo-Christian God is superfluous in the face of evolution. Depending on how you want to "spin" it, of course. And abiogenesis has been replicated in the lab, so that argument from ignorance is quickly getting the flashlight shined into its corners. I don't anticipate you'll be able to use it for much longer.

[LadyForCamus]

Oh NO, not the "evolution is just a theory" bit again! Huggy, try researching the definition of a scientific theory. You fucking idiot.

[LadyForCamus]

Huggy, it doesn't seem like you actually have a coherent grasp of what you believe.  Saying things like, 'the way science spins it,' and 'the scientific version of,' only highlights your ignorance.   There does not exist multiple, equally plausible versions of the theory of evolution for people to pick and choose from depending on what sounds good to them.  There is only the correct description which arose from the scientific method, and is supported by evidence.  If your personal interpretation differs, then you are simply wrong.

*emphasis mine*

Key word being "THEORY".

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/theory

Full Definition of theory

plural the·o·ries

   1:  the analysis of a set of facts in their relation to one another
   2:  abstract thought :  speculation
   3:  the general or abstract principles of a body of fact, a science, or an art <music theory>
   4 a :  a belief, policy, or procedure proposed or followed as the basis of action <her method is based on the theory that all children want to learn>
      b :  an ideal or hypothetical set of facts, principles, or circumstances —often used in the phrase in theory <in theory, we have always advocated freedom for all>
   5:  a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena <the wave theory of light>
   6 a :  a hypothesis assumed for the sake of argument or investigation
      b :  an unproved assumption :  conjecture
      c :  a body of theorems presenting a concise systematic view of a subject <theory of equations>

There is only the correct description which arose from the scientific method, and is supported by evidence.  If your personal interpretation differs, then you are simply wrong.

Evolution (the scientific version) has never been subjected to the scientific method, because that would require it to actually be OBSERVED. Point me to the experiment showing an ape evolving to human

"A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that is acquired through the scientific method and repeatedly tested and confirmed through observation and experimentation."

Just another idiot theist who attempts to tear down science when they don't even have the first fucking clue about what it is, or how it works. Enjoy your life in the dark ages.


Sorry, quote from NCSE.

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[Huggy Bear]

He actually thinks two humans lived for 900+ years, that's what he believes.

Oh, I've seen that before.

But the comparison with breeding bully's....I nearly passed a stone.

Brilliant.

Thanks Hugmeister, made my day. 

Did my explanation go over your head?

When science want to perform experiments, they often use animals, because how the experiment affects the animals can be used to determine how it will affect humans.

Yet somehow you find my example of dog breeding hilarious.

You stated that "the most basic understanding of genetics leads even a layman like me to suggest that thinking the entire human race came from 2 people to be a special kind of stupid."

My example of dog breeding proves that false.

[FatAndFaithless]

Yup, Huggy wins the Nobel Prize in biology. I mean, you have won that, right? Overturning evolution would be a monumental achievement.