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RE: What's the lamest defence of Theism you've ever heard?
February 20, 2016 at 1:12 pm
(February 20, 2016 at 1:11 pm)AAA Wrote: (February 20, 2016 at 1:11 pm)Jello Wrote: The funny thing is, if god designed us, who designed god? Unless, and here's where it falls apart, he magically came into existence.
Nobody wins in an infinite regress.
I'll take that as you having no answer to that, without making yourself look incredibly silly.
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RE: What's the lamest defence of Theism you've ever heard?
February 20, 2016 at 1:12 pm
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(February 20, 2016 at 1:09 pm)AAA Wrote: Less than that.
Well, show me serious scientific articles saying it's less than 99, maybe 98 percent. Contemporary articles, please.
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RE: What's the lamest defence of Theism you've ever heard?
February 20, 2016 at 1:13 pm
(February 20, 2016 at 1:11 pm)AAA Wrote: (February 20, 2016 at 1:11 pm)Jello Wrote: The funny thing is, if god designed us, who designed god? Unless, and here's where it falls apart, he magically came into existence.
Nobody wins in an infinite regress.
Which is why you have to play the kalam card and shift your designer beyond the reach of falsifiability.
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RE: What's the lamest defence of Theism you've ever heard?
February 20, 2016 at 1:14 pm
(February 20, 2016 at 1:11 pm)AAA Wrote: It does matter, because you guys have been prancing about how intelligent design is unfalsifiable and therefore unscientific. If evolution is too, then you've got a problem.
Natural vs supernatural. So, why not believe in Erich von Däniken?
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RE: What's the lamest defence of Theism you've ever heard?
February 20, 2016 at 1:24 pm
The appearance of design is the result of evolution, not a designer. And the appearance of design isn't objective in the first place.
The universe itself gives no evidence of design. Especially if it is humanocentric. The earth is a tiny dot in a galaxy that itself is a fraction of a dot in a massively enormous universe. All that wasted space.
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RE: What's the lamest defence of Theism you've ever heard?
February 20, 2016 at 1:33 pm
(February 20, 2016 at 1:12 pm)Jello Wrote: (February 20, 2016 at 1:11 pm)AAA Wrote: Nobody wins in an infinite regress.
I'll take that as you having no answer to that, without making yourself look incredibly silly.
Of course not how could I? Just like we can't know what caused the universe. It goes both ways, and you know that.
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RE: What's the lamest defence of Theism you've ever heard?
February 20, 2016 at 1:35 pm
(February 20, 2016 at 1:24 pm)Cecelia Wrote: The appearance of design is the result of evolution, not a designer. And the appearance of design isn't objective in the first place.
The universe itself gives no evidence of design. Especially if it is humanocentric. The earth is a tiny dot in a galaxy that itself is a fraction of a dot in a massively enormous universe. All that wasted space. The appearance of design can't be the result of evolution because of the hundreds of proteins along with a large genetic code that is required to enter the evolutionary pathway.
Also the universe does give evidence of design. Every single thing that led to us is unlikely. The cosmological constant, and other finely tuned laws of physics and chemistry. The features of our planet and solar system that allow life to form. It is all exactly the way it needs to be.
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RE: What's the lamest defence of Theism you've ever heard?
February 20, 2016 at 1:36 pm
(February 20, 2016 at 1:33 pm)AAA Wrote: Just like we can't know what caused the universe. It goes both ways, and you know that.
Natural vs supernatural. You're still a caveman at heart. Since you can't explain certain things, it has to be god. Most of us are content with, we can't explain it - as of yet.
Do you even know how far we came within the last two centuries?
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RE: What's the lamest defence of Theism you've ever heard?
February 20, 2016 at 1:36 pm
(February 20, 2016 at 1:14 pm)abaris Wrote: (February 20, 2016 at 1:11 pm)AAA Wrote: It does matter, because you guys have been prancing about how intelligent design is unfalsifiable and therefore unscientific. If evolution is too, then you've got a problem.
Natural vs supernatural. So, why not believe in Erich von Däniken?
So as long as it is a natural explanation it gets to avoid the criteria that make something science?
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RE: What's the lamest defence of Theism you've ever heard?
February 20, 2016 at 1:37 pm
(February 20, 2016 at 1:13 pm)Stimbo Wrote: (February 20, 2016 at 1:11 pm)AAA Wrote: Nobody wins in an infinite regress.
Which is why you have to play the kalam card and shift your designer beyond the reach of falsifiability.
So is your multiverse
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