OP ED RANT! Never accuse me of this.

[Excited Penguin]

What you just sounded like to me.


AAAAAAAA. Yes. Oh, lol. Jajajajaja. Muslims... Yeaaaah. Right. OK. You bigot. No? No bigot. Bigot.

Once again, exactly how is " we are all humans first" word salad?

We can literally scientifically prove through DNA that we are all related.

Someone keeps protesting too much, digging themselves in deeper, not even seeing that is exactly what they look like.

The rest of us, yes, we are humans first. You however, you sir, are no part of my species. I am offended that you would even consider yourself a part of humanity. You are an outlier. You are an anomaly in spacetime.

[drfuzzy]

What you just sounded like to me.


AAAAAAAA. Yes. Oh, lol. Jajajajaja. Muslims... Yeaaaah. Right. OK. You bigot. No? No bigot. Bigot.

See Brian?  You explained very clearly and concisely - but this moron doesn't want explanations, and doesn't have the intellectual capacity to type out a coherent rebuttal.  All he does is grade school playground taunting and whining.  Posture, nit-pick, taunt.  There is nothing of substance here.

[drfuzzy]

Once again, exactly how is " we are all humans first" word salad?

We can literally scientifically prove through DNA that we are all related.

Someone keeps protesting too much, digging themselves in deeper, not even seeing that is exactly what they look like.

The rest of us, yes, we are humans first. You however, you sir, are no part of my species. I am offended that you would even consider yourself a part of humanity. You are an outlier. You are an anomaly in spacetime.

And you are a waste of oxygen.

[Brian37]

Once again, exactly how is " we are all humans first" word salad?

We can literally scientifically prove through DNA that we are all related.

Someone keeps protesting too much, digging themselves in deeper, not even seeing that is exactly what they look like.

The rest of us, yes, we are humans first. You however, you sir, are no part of my species. I am offended that you would even consider yourself a part of humanity. You are an outlier. You are an anomaly in spacetime.

The great thing about the universe is after the planet dies and the sun dies, and long after our species goes extinct, nobody will be around to give one flying fuck about you or me. Now ask me if care what you think of me? I could care less as long as you don't advocate violence or act out in violence towards me. Since I don't think you would, sounds to me like a hollow opinion, and guess what, everybody has one.

[Excited Penguin]

The rest of us, yes, we are humans first. You however, you sir, are no part of my species. I am offended that you would even consider yourself a part of humanity. You are an outlier. You are an anomaly in spacetime.

The great thing about the universe is after the planet dies and the sun dies, and long after our species goes extinct, nobody will be around to give one flying fuck about you or me. Now ask me if care what you think of me? I could care less as long as you don't advocate violence or act out in violence towards me. Since I don't think you would, sounds to me like a hollow opinion, and guess what, everybody has one.

Sigh. You must be real fun at parties.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

How about an eye for an eye? When the rapist is apprehended rape him and everyone in his family. It's so holy book.

[Brian37]

How about an eye for an eye?  When the rapist is apprehended rape him and everyone in his family.  It's so holy book.

Mob rule was what the dark ages were. Mob rule is what far too much of the middle east is. No thanks.

[WinterHold]

Dont get me wrong here, I am still with the west in saying that Islam really has the biggest PR problem and I do agree much of it's own refusal to get with the modern world is coming from the Quran. I only am saying buying fear as a blanket solution is not a solution.

You are correct, some modern concepts don't get Islam's approval, starting from the economy -loans with interests; not dedicating a fixed portion to give to the poor "Zaka"...etc-, up to the rules of warfare, that allows the use of mass bombing -tactical bombing- and atomic weapons.

What I want from from the opposing voice, is to rule out & say the real reasons behind why Islam don't integrate; instead, they generalize that Islam creates terrorists and rapists, thus the faith can't live in the modern world. In reality, it's everything but those two reasons: the religion produces a different reflection in terms of living; a different lifestyle that is hardly known or seen today. 

Moreover, the problems in the behavior of Middle Eastern people goes back to the culture; the same culture that existed long before Islam, you can see a small display in how the culture in this region, used to treat women like sex toys long before Islam:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niq%C4%81b..._face_veil

Blaming Islam is rash. A decision taken before further research is made. I don't just blame non Muslims for this, some modern Muslims too have given a terrible example over the years .

But your Quran does condone rape, just like all the books of Abraham. The fact you don't interpret it that way, does not mean other Muslims dont.

Your Quran treats girls as prizes "virgin" to be given out like door prizes, not humans. And not just prizes, submissive that must obey the man. That means if the man commands the woman to give her sex, regardless if she wants to, she has to. And that also means the collective men of the society have the right to punish girls/women for the way they dress or wanting educations.

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/4/index.htm#25

As soon as the man buys the idea they have dominion over girls/women, then they can justify whatever they do to them, because the are not considered humans, but property.

Now you can claim all you want the words aren't there to justify it, but that does not change that people do pick up that book and justify the following.

Taking verses as a singular unit, that is out of context, is a disaster.

Taking from the article:

The Islamic State practices pure Islam. Their theological argument is authentic.

I fell in love, with how the author is so self confident, in stating what "true" Islam is. Ironic in its essense, for that when an apologist Muslim jumps to the defence using the word "true Islam", critics would start pointing fingers and condemn the argument.

Anyhow, the ISIS is not practicing real Islam, and it is not the perfect example too, the militia smells with intelligence agencies, and its presence came in a very strange time, they only exist in certain places that lead to arise the big question: is their motive, really, is to build a caliphate? why is Saudi Arabia spared -despite it practicing the same acts- while ISIS is "bombed"? But I won't turn this into a political debate..but ISIS is no example.

Cole Bunzel, a scholar of Islamic theology at Princeton University, disagrees, pointing to the numerous references to the phrase “Those your right hand possesses” in the Quran, which for centuries has been interpreted to mean female slaves.

As a native Arab, I raise a red flag, because the word "Molk-Yameen/Posession of the right hand" went both ways for men and women alike.

As for the link that contained verses which are "hypothetically" advocates rape, I gotta say if somebody doesn't know Arabic, he shouldn't worry himself with interpreting an ancient text, that is written with an Arabic tongue that is not even used today, anywhere. Some Muslims just follow their scholars like cattle.

With my knowledge with humans, anything can be interpreted differently. There are people, for instance, who use western values to cause severe damage to others; one example is how democracy was used to demonize others.
If the need insisted, anything can be used as a weapon.

It might not be convincing to you. But the problem begins and ends with humans. Not religion.

[WinterHold]

Moreover, some aspects of modern culture butchered women; and the way women were represented.
A woman must satisfy a certain stream of standards, so that the society can accept her; one thing I'm citing is the porn industry, as an example.

It's not Muslims who are posing a problem; one factor might be porn producers ? who plant the filthiest of concepts, in their way of representing "sex" as a viewed entertainment.

I'm just saying, that everybody has their sins. Nobody is perfect.
Above all, blaming the wrong side can indeed lead to circulating in an infinite cycle.

It's scary to see the right feasting on Europe.

[ReptilianPeon]

AtlasS33, I think magazines marketed at women do more damage than the porn industry. At least in porn videos they can't use photoshop. The women's magazines talk about all of the latest diets and fashion. In my opinion, we need more heterosexual men working in the fashion industry because they know what the typical man actually like in women (unlike homosexuals and women themselves).

Society in general puts a lot of pressure on both genders. And we are seeing increasing amounts of men really upset at their bodies. So I don't think the focus should just be on women.

In terms of religion, it's always the women that seem to need to be controlled. Never the men. Which is why I think even the Hijab is dangerous; it reinforces this idea that it's the lady's fault of she is raped. Why can't men be taught rape is wrong rather than restricting women?

Some people say that they love the Hijab. But you won't find it in the Quran. The Quran only mentions modesty and not specific items of clothing as far as I'm aware. Hijab offers no supernatural protection against rape. But if a lie is repeated often enough, it is eventually seen as truth.

When I see five year old girls in Hijabs I think to myself: Why are you sexualizing your daughter like that? The Hijab says that the woman wearing it is a sex object. It's evil.