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RE: My views on objective morality
February 28, 2016 at 4:01 pm
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They do require people to believe in adam and eve.........sigh, lol.
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RE: My views on objective morality
February 28, 2016 at 4:02 pm
(February 28, 2016 at 4:01 pm)Rhythm Wrote: They do require people to believe in adam and eve.........sigh, lol.
Not todays catholic church. They steer an ambivalent course on that matter. Same goes for evolution.
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RE: My views on objective morality
February 28, 2016 at 4:03 pm
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(February 28, 2016 at 3:59 pm)abaris Wrote: But you said, you never had any deeper thoughts on what is written in the OT. Is it usual for you, not to reflect on what you are reading? Or is it just with religious texts that you accept them without questioning the reasons for the text being there and written in a certain way?
It is usual for Catholics (unless you are a Church theologian, or Church clergy) not to put a lot of stock in the OT. For reasons I have already talked about.
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RE: My views on objective morality
February 28, 2016 at 4:05 pm
(February 28, 2016 at 3:47 pm)Rhythm Wrote: @Mystic, yay, fun with words! The light and soul and nature of god, yaddaa yadda yadda, being goodness....still commanded people to genocide. How is that to be judged and by whom..or does god get a pass because god? Got some word games for that one?
What genocide are you talking about?
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RE: My views on objective morality
February 28, 2016 at 4:07 pm
All of them.
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RE: My views on objective morality
February 28, 2016 at 4:08 pm
(February 28, 2016 at 4:03 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: It is usual for Catholics not to put a lot of stock in the OT. For reasons I have already talked about.
Which is a pretty recent development. Having happened during my lifetime. As I said, they can't do away with it, so they say not to put too much stock in it. Because they actually read it.
But even when I entered primary school, we were encouraged to believe in the OT. And to consider it and it's protagonists to be exemplary. The Second Vaticanum was very slow moving to reach outlying communities. Which is but one reason, why I don't subscribe to obejctive morality.
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RE: My views on objective morality
February 28, 2016 at 4:08 pm
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(February 28, 2016 at 4:02 pm)abaris Wrote: (February 28, 2016 at 4:01 pm)Rhythm Wrote: They do require people to believe in adam and eve.........sigh, lol.
Not todays catholic church. They steer an ambivalent course on that matter. Same goes for evolution.
Negatron...I just linked the catechism, the declaration of vatican 1, and a pope on the subject. Todays -catholics- are ambivalent in these regards -in spite- of their doctrines, which are not. A person cannot believe in the current theory of evolution or the reliability of genetic evidence and remain faithful to catholic doctrine. The church is holding out hope that we will find a "correct" theory that allows for adam, eve. They believe it really happened and so it's understandable why they would do that. That's what they're referring to when they say catholics can believe in evolution. It's the same bait and switch the fundies pull day in and day out. A novel use of a misleading term or phrase.
Catholics, however, don't give a fuck anymore. Some of them, apparently, don't even know they're supposed to give a fuck.
In the same vein, todays catholics are not as concerned with the moral demands of their church, regardless of whether they come from a man in a funny hat or god. They were already rudderless, now they're a rudderless mob. St. Peter would weep to see it.
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RE: My views on objective morality
February 28, 2016 at 4:18 pm
(February 28, 2016 at 4:08 pm)Rhythm Wrote: (February 28, 2016 at 4:02 pm)abaris Wrote: Not todays catholic church. They steer an ambivalent course on that matter. Same goes for evolution.
Negatron...I just linked the catechism, the declaration of vatican 1, and a pope on the subject. Todays -catholics- are ambivalent in these regards -in spite- of their doctrines, which are not. A person cannot believe in the current theory of evolution or the reliability of genetic evidence and remain faithful to catholic doctrine. The church is holding out hope that we will find a "correct" theory that allows for adam, eve. They believe it really happened and so it's understandable why they would do that. That's what they're referring to when they say catholics can believe in evolution. It's the same bait and switch the fundies pull day in and day out. A novel use of a misleading term or phrase.
Catholics, however, don't give a fuck anymore. Some of them, apparently, don't even know they're supposed to give a fuck.
In the same vein, todays catholics are not as concerned with the moral demands of their church, regardless of whether they come from a man in a funny hat or god. They were already rudderless, now they're a rudderless mob.
I agree 100%, the story of Adam and Eve has to be a literal interpretation, otherwise the story of Jesus doesn't make any sense.
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RE: My views on objective morality
February 28, 2016 at 4:19 pm
It doesn't make sense either way.
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RE: My views on objective morality
February 28, 2016 at 4:20 pm
Sense doesn't factor in, it wouldn't make sense -with- them. It's just what the church decrees, take it or leave it.
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