Theist "You are Evidence" argument.

[JBrentonK]

Are you making more generalizing statements about "my own sake..."? And what about my own sake? Apparently you have something to say.

I do indeed, FYI, presume all atheists are assholes. But that's only because they've stumbled off of that block of reality where, as you know, there is nothing and no one, no thing and not a thing, no real and no surreal, no object and no relation, no mind and no correlation, no thought and no mind. There is literally nothing more to say other than to conclude, that all atheists are assholes. And the simplifying statements that there is no brain no where, for the kind of people they are. You should get that already right? Or are you a "true" atheist....? lol

[truth_seeker]

There is a big fallacy here.

Whether or not one believes in a designer is irrelevant.
The presence of a design (or "structure", if you are not comfortable with word design) is evident.
If one denies the presence of structure, then this is simply intellectual suicide.

And the same goes for denying that a human body has any structure. This is intellectual suicide.

[JBrentonK]

There is a big fallacy here.

Whether or not one believes in a designer is irrelevant.
The presence of a design (or "structure", if you are not comfortable with word design) is evident.
If one denies the presence of structure, then this is simply intellectual suicide.

And the same goes for denying that a human body has any structure. This is intellectual suicide.

Cap, I believe I cleared it up for old OP.

But ur making retarded statements. Care to help with some of them?

Weather or not one believes in a designer is irrelevant.

Wtf? Like I said. Please explain. The only issue is the designER that desidnED. Ur missing the ids. Kinda like Freud missed the egos breh.

The presence of a design is evident.

First, are u a student of the moron Mr Krauss? U know the mathematically mentally handicapped and retarded atheist professor? You sound like it so much I can't even understand your point.

I dont get you. Are you arguing in support of atheism? You do realize that in itself is also intellectual suicide, by your definition.

[KevinM1]

...who let JBK out of his cage?

[truth_seeker]

what I'm saying is ...
the acknowledgement of a designer
is a separate issue from
the acknowledgement of structure

so in a debate about the presence or absence of a designer,
the starting point is reaching a conclusion regarding the separate issue of presence of structure.

so there is no point of discussing the presence of a designer if someone doesn't truly believe the existence of structures.

[Brian37]

I always get this one in a debate. I ask them for evidence and they tell me "You are evidence"! How would someone combat this one?

Not hard at all, and there are different versions of this even outside using humans as an example.

It really basically amounts to "It's pretty", "Or its complex" or " it's amazing" so "God did it".

I once had a co worker who was Jewish point up to the nighttime sky on a brake out in the parking lot and he pointed up and said "Well look at that, isn't that beautiful? There is your evidence."

To which I responded, "If you think it is so pretty, take a space shuttle up to orbit, take a space walk and take your helmet off, you'll find out how pretty it is."

Humans are simply another form of falling for a false sense of awe. They either say we are beautiful, or too complex to simply be a product of nature only.

The problem is we also share the same eating breathing tube which means we can choke to death while eating. I'd hardly call that design. And considering how cruel humans can be to each other, while you can find empathy and even physical beauty in our species, we most certainly ARE NOT pretty or kind 100% of the time.

Not to mention there are other species that are far better at reproduction, like cockroaches, which the common one lays 15 at a time, and another species of cockroach lays 50, not to mention they have been around far longer than humans.

Eagles have better eyesight than humans. And the Giraffe has a superfluous nerve that goes from one ear, all the way down the neck and back up to the other ear. And the human appendix, nipples on men. 

It really boils down to falling for their emotions and sense of awe. It is simply a projection of their own desire to be important to all this.

Certainly there ARE lots of beautiful and awe inspiring things in life and the universe, but none of them need a magical answer or fictional sky hero to explain. There also are lots of nasty things in life and the universe too.

[truth_seeker]

("There is nothing new to be discovered in physics now. All that remains is more and more precise measurement.")
- by Baron William Thomson Kelvin, 1900, in an Address at the British Association for the Advancement of Science

This statement was made before the entire fields of relativity and quantum theory were even imagined, which flipped physics on its head.

The claim that we know everything that there is about a good biological design is equally absurd. There is huge amounts of biological information that we can't even begin to understand. So the idea of critiquing a biological design is child's play.

Its unbelievable how arrogant we can be as human beings about how smart we are.

[Esquilax]

("There is nothing new to be discovered in physics now. All that remains is more and more precise measurement.")
- by Baron William Thomson Kelvin, 1900, in an Address at the British Association for the Advancement of Science

This statement was made before the entire fields of relativity and quantum theory were even imagined, which flipped physics on its head.

The claim that we know everything that there is about a good biological design is equally absurd. There is huge amounts of biological information that we can't even begin to understand. So the idea of critiquing a biological design is child's play.

Its unbelievable how arrogant we can be as human beings about how smart we are.

I love this weird, inverse argument from ignorance, because it's so easy to debunk. While I agree it's no good to assume complete knowledge of a given field at any point, I also must point out that we can only form our conclusions based in the data available at the present time. Saying "yeah, this looks like bad design, but we don't know, maybe there's a good justification!" is exactly as fallacious as your Kelvin quote there: Kelvin assumes there's nothing more to discover, and you're assuming that there is a specific thing to discover. You're both doing so on the back of precisely zero positive evidence for those propositions, which is what makes them irrational.

[Joods]

This is only proof of your atheism. It's ok to be an atheist.... Sometimes we all feel a little down. Want my opinion? All atheists are assholes, and you are essentially telling us this is not the case. Are all Christians assholes? Nope! But.... That's okay! There is really nothing but flame bating and further hate inciting, which are by the way examples of atheism, and not, by the way, of Christianity. If you are truly concerned as to how to address such a simple question, take one of the other users examples to heart: Flame bait them. You will surely draw a great number of belief, and then you can feel satisfied, knowing your argument about God is correct and theirs isn't.

Look at the pot calling the kettle black. We'll take this one at a time since you seem so intent on holding everyone else up to high standards while you keep yours incredibly low. 

All Atheists are not assholes. All Christians are not assholes. You seem to fail to recognize this, as YOU are the one making the ascertation that ALL atheists are indeed, assholes, but then you don't even bother considering that all christians are too. 

But they aren't because I know many christians who happen to be lovely people. I call them my friends. Given that there are several fine atheists on this forum alone, that I know of, who are fine, lovely people as well, they aren't assholes either. 

It is YOU that is doing the flame baiting and further hate inciting. Where you get they are examples of atheism is simply ignorance. Obviously you have no clue as to what Atheists are. 

Why do you bother to come here, honestly? You spew your vomit all over the boards and when you aren't agreed with, you throw a tantrum. Well. That isn't very "christian" of you and I think your god would be really disappointed in your behavior, as displayed here. 

You troll, you flame bait and you cause continuous upset here. Why you are continued to allowed to stay is beyond me. But I guess you will eventually get yourself banned sooner or later because you just don't know when to quit.

[Simon Moon]

I always get this one in a debate. I ask them for evidence and they tell me "You are evidence"! How would someone combat this one?

It's a circular argument. It fails on pretty much every level. 

Essentially what they are saying is, "God exists, and he created humans. You exist, therefore, you are evidence for the god that created humans".

There is nothing to combat.