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Theist "You are Evidence" argument.
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Theist "You are Evidence" argument.
I always get this one in a debate. I ask them for evidence and they tell me "You are evidence"! How would someone combat this one?
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RE: Theist "You are Evidence" argument.
My usual counter to this type of nonsense is to ask what a non-designed universe would be like, or non-designed life forms.

If they produce an answer, ask them how they possibly know this. "Source: my ass"

If they can't produce an answer, which is the most common outcome, then ask them how they determined that you are evidence with nothing to compare you against.

We recognize design by comparison to non-design. If they can't produce any example of non-design, they are simply making an unnecessary assumption that "everything is designed". It is well established that we evolved, in a way that is consistent with no intervening agent. All that is left is abiogenesis, and if they want to yell "it's magic" then leave them to it.

If we were evidence of design (which we are not) it would be a designer who is incompetent, and goes about things in the most laborious manner possible to allow the greatest number of things to go wrong in the process.

All the theist is really saying is "I can't imagine all this coming about without a designer". The argument from personal incredulity. Truth doesn't depend on who can imagine it.
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RE: Theist "You are Evidence" argument.
Evidence of what?  Shitty design?  What does that say about their fucking god?
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RE: Theist "You are Evidence" argument.
(7th March 2016, 15:33)GeneralDog Wrote: I always get this one in a debate. I ask them for evidence and they tell me "You are evidence"! How would someone combat this one?

Why would you try to combat a statement that isn't an argument? You need to ask for elaboration before it can even become one, and then you can combat.
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RE: Theist "You are Evidence" argument.
(7th March 2016, 15:46)Alex K Wrote:
(7th March 2016, 15:33)GeneralDog Wrote: I always get this one in a debate. I ask them for evidence and they tell me "You are evidence"! How would someone combat this one?

Why would you try to combat a statement that isn't an argument? You need to ask for elaboration before it can even become one, and then you can combat.

Usually when I ask for an explanation I get them repeating what they said and asking if they stuttered. :/
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RE: Theist "You are Evidence" argument.
(7th March 2016, 15:50)GeneralDog Wrote:
(7th March 2016, 15:46)Alex K Wrote: Why would you try to combat a statement that isn't an argument? You need to ask for elaboration before it can even become one, and then you can combat.

Usually when I ask for an explanation I get them repeating what they said and asking if they stuttered. :/

I'm with Alex. "You are evidence" is simply the belief without proof. Repeating themselves only demonstrates their limited reasoning ability. Might want to terminate the discussion at that point.
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RE: Theist "You are Evidence" argument.
Appendix that exists solely to contract lethal appendicitis. Some design.
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RE: Theist "You are Evidence" argument.
Am I...lol?   If that's the case, then I think they're going to be disappointed when they finally meet the god who made me.
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RE: Theist "You are Evidence" argument.
(7th March 2016, 16:13)ApeNotKillApe Wrote: Appendix that exists solely to contract lethal appendicitis. Some design.

Actually, it turns out that it may have a purpose.

Research performed at Winthrop University-Hospital showed that individuals without an appendix were four times more likely to have a recurrence of Clostridium difficile colitis. The appendix, therefore, may act as a "safe house" for commensal ("good") bacteria. This reservoir of gut flora could then serve to repopulate the digestive system following a bout of dysentery or cholera.
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RE: Theist "You are Evidence" argument.
Some negligible benefit isn't going to do you much good after it bursts and kills you though, is it?
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