You're not so Godless.

[Little lunch]

I have to agree.
When I was younger I used to worship the pussy.
I would go out all night faithfully praying to it and bowing down whenever I had the chance.
More often than not, I would convert by the end of the night and end up worshipping the toilet bowl.

Out of the entire thread, this is the post I found most attention-grabbing.

I re-read it carefully and it sounds a great deal like you're saying that going down on a girl made you sick.

Unless, of course, it is implied that you were simultaneously indulging in other vices, as well, whilst going out all night,
and it is these  that made you ill.

God, I hope this is the case.  Otherwise.....  *shudder*

Of course, if someone were to put a little icecream on it.... ;-)

[Mister Agenda]

Mister Agenda

The way I see many humans obsessed about food, or how they look, obsessed with money and drenching to their ears in certain hobbies, well I have to raise the question and underline me a note

That's funny. I think a dispassionate observer would say you blatantly tried to make a false equivalence between belief in God and having a hobby or being vain.

Not that I'm personally really against God being compared to gluttony or vanity; but I like my words to have meanings.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Why are you here Atlas?  Why does it chap your ass so badly that there are people in the world who don't believe in your God?  Don't you think your time could be better spent giving to the poor?  Housing the homeless?  Building schools for underprivileged children in third world countries?  But no...here you are at AF.org...poking atheists with a stick.  You are super cool.  

What we'll hear: I'm saving your souls, much more important than feeding or housing people.

What the truth is: If I say it reallyreallyreally loud, and often, it must be true, and I can sleep easier.

The insecurity of some believers is hilarious.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Of course, if someone were to put a little icecream on it....  ;-)

Mmmmm, foodsex ....

[WinterHold]

Anomalocaris

More than you can ever imagine. But I crossed the line when I changed my Gods.

Ryantology

You neglect that Islam is a faith; at any moment if the logic I believe in got smashed; I'll turn upside down in terms of faith. Discussing what I think with others is a good practice after all.

Rhythm

Soldiers are the ultimate form of slaves; badly enough they choose to obey other "humans" only, which is exactly what my topic is about.
And the slaves get trialed too if they disobey, they go through an act of punishment known as "military trial".


abris

Away from the main topic , I would like to read that diary. I think it is a fantastic thing to have something from that era.
It seems that he was a brave man.
Desires; dreams, can be our Gods. When an idea takes over you, controls you, and you put forth every bit of effort to acheive it, that right there is your own personal God. Even if you never noticed.

He wouldn't mention what he can't notice.

LadyforCamus

The long version would require a topic, the short version is: spreading awareness-test my ideas against reality-relating with others, since I'm so disconnected in my society (because my thoughts and ideas are somehow "hard" for regular Sunni/Shia Muslims to comprehend).

You judged a complete stranger's contributions to the needy ? even if I did I won't tell about it; it's all about me doing it for God.
Actually, there are a lot of people who give charities in billions, yet to send you bleeding with a backstabb at night.

Kusa

To me, God is the entity that exists like no other, never born and never gives birth, that who created everything, even evil and good, the creator of life and death. The entity that created me, and owned me through the life he gave me.

Gawdzilla

Humility is a lovely human feature.

[The Grand Nudger]

Soldiers are the ultimate form of slaves; badly enough they choose to obey other "humans" only, which is exactly what my topic is about.

And the slaves get trialed too if they disobey, they go through an act of punishment known as "military trial".

Soldiers obey orders, not humans.  Orders must be lawful to carry risk of trial for failure to obey.  You see..even a grunt has a better system than your god. Some soldiers have been slaves, your Umma of Old was famous for it..but here in the States...we're all volunteers. If your religion requires you to insist that free men are slaves, like yourself.....it sounds like you're contributing to rather than solving humanity's problems.

Not that you're going to let little details like facts get in the way of prostrating yourself before fairies..but hey, the more you know, right?

[Brian37]

The illusion of a "Godless" journey through life is so fragile in its core, that is; cracks can appear so easily with the slightest thought or behavior analysis.
Every bit of human body, the word "human" itself, is nothing more but a group of functions existing to serve: thus we, are nothing but the same biological organism  that is surviving -ironically- via self inflicted services, which are given to the body since birth.

We cannot even comprehend the idea of independence: everything to us -by default- is defined with the same image -that is us-: a client being served; a cause and effect. 
If worship is -in its core- a service, then how is an atheist considered to be a "Godless" human being?

Isn't it more accurate to describe the person's God, as him/herself, his/her nation, his/her government?
If somebody spent all of their lives "worshiping" themselves and claiming to be "atheists", wouldn't that tell us that there are no true atheists?

Consider whatever holy, and spend them years building it up obsessively; and here you go: that's your God. 

Humans are made to worship. Made to serve. 
Atheism might be defined more accurately with it being the lack of belief in a certain "God(s)", but not all Gods. Every person has a God after all. Nobody is Godless.

NO we were no made to worship, nor are we some sort of product like a factory makes.

Our species began in an age of scientific ignorance, so back then everything scared the crap out of us because we didn't know the reality of what was going on, so we gap filled by projecting our human qualities on things like weather events, earthquakes, volcanos, animals. Because we stupidly thought there must be some sort of human like thing controlling it or the event or thing or animal itself had magic powers to give us our fortunes or punish us. The first deities/gods were earth like and animal like and weather like, but the more we became organized and the more complex our written language became, our species started giving our gods more human like features. Monotheism came way late in religious history, it simply was an attempt to streamline religion.

The same gap filling that causes humans to make up gods, is the same thing that will cause us to walk into a clean glass door, our brains gap fill we evolved with notoriously flawed perceptions of reality.

[Brian37]

No we do not have a god or gods. Please stop projecting your definition on us. "atheist" is like an empty glass, or off on a light switch. Trying to claim we have a god is like saying OFF is a TV channel, like not collecting stamps is a hobby.

[MTL]

Out of the entire thread, this is the post I found most attention-grabbing.

I re-read it carefully and it sounds a great deal like you're saying that going down on a girl made you sick.

Unless, of course, it is implied that you were simultaneously indulging in other vices, as well, whilst going out all night,
and it is these  that made you ill.

God, I hope this is the case.  Otherwise.....  *shudder*

Of course, if someone were to put a little icecream on it....  ;-)

[ReptilianPeon]

What is it about human design that makes them good for worship? I look at a human and I see lots of things that make it a bad design if it's purpose is only to worship. I'll use the story of Isra and Mi'raj to elaborate my comment. The seventeenth chapter of the Quran is named "Irsa", as I'm sure you're aware. For those don't know what I'm talking about, here is the Wikipedia article (which also lists any relevant Quran Iyah, of which there are several). So the story is alluded to in the Quran, and there is even a festival celebrating the day, Lailat al Mi'raj.

Why is Muhammad's night journey important? People were originally supposed to pray fifty times per day! But Moses thought this was too difficult for humans to pray fifty times each day so he told Muhammad to negotiate with Allah, seeing as Allah didn't know fifty prayers a day was too much to handle.  So Muhammad went up to Allah and negotiated. Honestly, he must be a better negotiator than Donald Trump if he can convince Allah to reduce the amount of Salat from fifty down to five a day. Can't believe Moses took until the time of Muhammad to realize fifty times a day is too much for humans to handle; you think somebody would have informed Allah sooner.

So anyway, Moses realized that humans are not built for constant worship (because, like I said, apparently Allah did not realize fifty prayers a day is too many). Moses then said to Muhammad that fifty a day prayers was difficult for people, so he urged Muhammad to negotiate with Allah to get the amount of daily prayers reduced. And so, a fallible human, a mere mortal, was able to change the mind of Allah. Now for the calculations.
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There are twenty-four hours in a day (Earth days are continuously getting longer and they are not actually twenty-four hours in a day, but I'm ignoring that to make the calculations easy) so that's one daily prayer an average of about every 4.8 hours (24 ÷ 5 = 4.8), and that period of time between daily prayers excludes however long it takes a person to do Wudu (or Tayammum), which I expand upon below. Now that we've established that, what is the interval between prayers at the original fifty times per day? 24 ÷ 50 = 0.48.

So that's a prayer eve forty-eight minutes. So every forty-eight minutes you have to find the direction of Mecca* (or Jerusalem if it was pre-switch days), do Wudu (or Tayammum), and then spend several minutes praying. Let's say, for the sake of argument, those three things combined take the average person fifteen minutes*. If humans were designed to worship, don't you think that they could handle fifty prayers a day? Yet Moses was saying this is too much, and Muhammad agreed.

*Remembering, of course, that people may not be close to a Mosque and didn't always have mobile phones that could easily find Mecca for them.

I have to agree with Moses on this one. How are humans supposed to survive if they have to stop and pray so frequently? Could humans even sleep? How could they if they have to get up and so Wudu every forty-eight minutes (less than because of finding Mecca and Wudu)? How could early humans gather resources from hunting, fishing and foraging (before they made the switch to farming) if they have to pray and wash that frequently?