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RE: Why the whole Adam and Eve Fall story makes no sense
March 26, 2016 at 8:27 am
(March 25, 2016 at 11:56 pm)Godschild Wrote: (March 24, 2016 at 8:56 pm)Nihilist Virus Wrote: That's a fkn slam dunk if I've ever seen one.
Good luck with him seeing it though lol.
You have to read what the verse says not what you want it to say, shot bloked.
GC
Yep, out of context, Muslims and Jews and Hindus and Buddhists also pull that crap.
So here is my bullshit translator "If you just ignore all the scientific absurdities and moral flaws and cherry pick, you can swallow it blindly like I did".
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RE: Why the whole Adam and Eve Fall story makes no sense
March 26, 2016 at 10:56 am
Adam and eve had no free.. will....
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RE: Why the whole Adam and Eve Fall story makes no sense
March 26, 2016 at 11:34 am
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(March 24, 2016 at 6:17 pm)Godschild Wrote: (March 24, 2016 at 8:06 am)FebruaryOfReason Wrote: No, I would not consider this viable for Christians to say about scripture. Because your scripture is finished. Your Bible is a finished book and can never change, regardless of what happens in the future.
This speaks to it's perfection, perfection never needs to be changed.
The Koran can't be changed either. Does that mean the Koran is perfect too?
Let me guess; it's only the Bible for which this principle of "unchangeable = perfect" holds true, and the unchangeable nature of everything else bears no relation to its validity? I.e. the Bible is special because it's the Bible.
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RE: Why the whole Adam and Eve Fall story makes no sense
March 26, 2016 at 1:06 pm
The bible doesn't need changing! Except the one time that it was changed. Several new books were added because the old testament wasn't enough. I guess the old testament wasn't perfection. If that's the case, then why should one presume that the new testament is perfection now?
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RE: Why the whole Adam and Eve Fall story makes no sense
March 26, 2016 at 4:13 pm
(March 26, 2016 at 7:59 am)robvalue Wrote: Which of these stories are probably true, and which aren't? A quiz for christians, without cheating by looking it up.
Maybe they are all probably true, maybe none of them are.
A) A woman makes a bargain with a king, where they will boil and eat each other's sons.
B) A dragon leads the way to an oasis in the desert, saving the lives of many people.
C) A man describes a "golden tree", and when the group reach the tree which meets the description, they find gold inside the tree.
A) This one time a woman saved her husband's life by mutilating her sons' penises and putting some of it on her husband's feet
B) This one time a guy told his friends to eat his body right before he was executed; his body mysteriously vanished a few days later
C) This one time a guy beat off a thousand uncircumcised men with an ass's mouth
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Why the whole Adam and Eve Fall story makes no sense
March 26, 2016 at 9:44 pm
(March 26, 2016 at 8:27 am)Brian37 Wrote: (March 25, 2016 at 11:56 pm)Godschild Wrote: You have to read what the verse says not what you want it to say, shot bloked.
GC
Yep, out of context, Muslims and Jews and Hindus and Buddhists also pull that crap.
So here is my bullshit translator "If you just ignore all the scientific absurdities and moral flaws and cherry pick, you can swallow it blindly like I did".
That's what she said! Buh-dum, symbol CRASH!
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RE: Why the whole Adam and Eve Fall story makes no sense
March 26, 2016 at 10:32 pm
(March 26, 2016 at 11:34 am)FebruaryOfReason Wrote: (March 24, 2016 at 6:17 pm)Godschild Wrote: This speaks to it's perfection, perfection never needs to be changed.
The Koran can't be changed either. Does that mean the Koran is perfect too?
Let me guess; it's only the Bible for which this principle of "unchangeable = perfect" holds true, and the unchangeable nature of everything else bears no relation to its validity? I.e. the Bible is special because it's the Bible.
The Bible is special because it's from God for us to learn about Him, his will and how to receive salvation and grow in an everlasting relationship with Him.
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God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Why the whole Adam and Eve Fall story makes no sense
March 26, 2016 at 10:35 pm
(March 26, 2016 at 8:27 am)Brian37 Wrote: (March 25, 2016 at 11:56 pm)Godschild Wrote: You have to read what the verse says not what you want it to say, shot bloked.
GC
Yep, out of context, Muslims and Jews and Hindus and Buddhists also pull that crap.
So here is my bullshit translator "If you just ignore all the scientific absurdities and moral flaws and cherry pick, you can swallow it blindly like I did".
Then you were never in a personal relationship with God, that's according to the Bible. There are no moral flaws, God's supernatural powers override any small understandings we have of how things work.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Why the whole Adam and Eve Fall story makes no sense
March 26, 2016 at 10:41 pm
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RE: Why the whole Adam and Eve Fall story makes no sense
March 26, 2016 at 11:01 pm
(March 26, 2016 at 2:54 am)Mudhammam Wrote: (March 22, 2016 at 3:00 pm)Godschild Wrote: As for Adam falling to Eve's urging, don't you think God blamed Adam for listening to her, that's the way I see it. As for Eve she was told by Adam what God had commanded, she believed Satan over her husband, so God gave her a desire to obey him, and then God set up the way a family was to be lived, with the man at the head of it. None of this was punishment though most see it that way. Eve's punishment was pain in child birth and Adam's was to work by the sweat of his brow, and because the brought sin into humanity we all suffer the same things, even the death they were promised if they disobeyed. As for man's response to how God punished them they took it upon themselves to misinterpret what God said to control women, this was never God's intent.
GC So, God - the omnipotent, omnibenevolent, omniscient? Immutable? Creator - had his intentions misunderstood? And while pouring out his Spirit into so-called inspired texts, failed to clarify this (mis)conception of his designs? Is this a pattern with your deity?
I crossed out one of the attributes you were giving God, you need to show us where that is in the Bible, please. This is the pattern of men, men just like you putting things into the Bible that's not there. Men misuse God's word all the time to benefit themselves, money is probably the number one thing, wanting to prove their preconceived ideas about scripture instead of looking for the truth. God's word is perfect, it's man who uses it for their own selfish reasons, instead of finding God's will.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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