Why the whole Adam and Eve Fall story makes no sense

[Nihilist Virus]

Proof please.

GC

How about Titus 1:14 = https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Titus%201:14

That's a fkn slam dunk if I've ever seen one.

Good luck with him seeing it though lol.

[Minimalist]

Everyone knows that the pastoral epistles are later forgeries.  Every one except G-C that is.  Now, I predict he will come around to the majority viewpoint rather than admit he was wrong.

[robvalue]

GC: prove it

We prove it.

GC: you don't understand the bible tho

We understand it all too well, way better than almost every Christian I've ever heard talk about the subject.

And I've said before, as atheists we are in the best position to learn the real "meaning" of the book (what you can actually learn from it) and Christians are in the worst position. In much the same way, someone who thinks a comic strip super hero is real will be worst placed to notice any underlying commentary the story is making.

[FebruaryOfReason]

If all the bibles in the world were destroyed, the text could never be re-written. This is consistent with it having been made up with no reference to reality.

If all of the scientific knowledge in the world was destroyed, it could be recovered by us re-examining the world again.

Any argument based on the bible can be reduced to "it's right because it's right because it's right". (See all of Godschild's comments). Only problem is, it is self evidently wrong. I have studied the bible. It tried to tell me that a woman can be manufactured from a rib.

This is a woman


This is a rib


The bible tried to tell me Moses' staff became a snake. It tried to tell me that you could feed 5000 people with 5 loaves and two fish.

I have studied the bible, GC. And I'm not going to waste my life on something so fundamentally, so obviously, flawed.

[IATIA]

... It tried to tell me that you could feed 5000 people with 5 loaves and two fish.

Two whales and break each loaf into 1000 little tiny pieces.

[robvalue]

Question for all theists:

If you're presented with a random story, how do you go about determining whether or not it might be a real story? How would you teach a child to tell the difference?

This is a bit worrying. No reply yet.

Still no answer. I'm left to conclude that some people either don't know how to distinguish reality from fantasy, or are unable to answer without admitting the double standard they are employing.

[Nihilist Virus]

This is a bit worrying. No reply yet.

Still no answer. I'm left to conclude that some people either don't know how to distinguish reality from fantasy, or are unable to answer without admitting the double standard they are employing.

Yeah but, see, if you knew how to read the Bible properly then it wouldn't be a problem.

[FebruaryOfReason]

... It tried to tell me that you could feed 5000 people with 5 loaves and two fish.

Two whales and break each loaf into 1000 little tiny pieces.  

Hallelujah! It's a miracle!

[FebruaryOfReason]

Question for all theists:

If you're presented with a random story, how do you go about determining whether or not it might be a real story? How would you teach a child to tell the difference?

OK, as the theists aren't biting, let me have a crack at this, Rob.

1. You give me the random story.
2. I check if it's in my book of made up bollox. If it's not, I say it's not true.

I ignore the fact that this method was not available to the people who compiled my book of made up bollox in the first place. Those people might have rejected your story as untrue, but they could not have used the criteria of "it's not in the Bibo/Kerrang/Bhang-a-gran-Rita/whatever." They used a bunch of criteria I don't know about, but I don't want to think about that*.

I also ignore the fact that the story might be in someone else's book of made up bollox. Because it is my book of made up bollox that is the only one that is right.

Do I get a prize for "most convincing answer so far"?

*When the Codex Sinaiticus - including the oldest extant complete copy of the new testament - was transcribed, the clergy required over ten thousand corrections to it. How did they know what to correct it to?
http://codexsinaiticus.org/en/codex/significance.aspx

[Minimalist]

If all the bibles in the world were destroyed, the text could never be re-written. This is consistent with it having been made up with no reference to reality.

If all of the scientific knowledge in the world was destroyed, it could be recovered by us re-examining the world again.

Any argument based on the bible can be reduced to "it's right because it's right because it's right". (See all of Godschild's comments). Only problem is, it is self evidently wrong. I have studied the bible. It tried to tell me that a woman can be manufactured from a rib.

That's one version of the story.

http://www.leighb.com/genesis.htm

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Gen 1

The fuckers have others.... oddly in the preceding  chapter!