Why the whole Adam and Eve Fall story makes no sense

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Given that snakes are having conversations with people, a Garden full of hallucinogens isn't all that far fetched.

Boru

[ApeNotKillApe]

I believe all the highs were relegated to land of Kush.

[Mudhammam]

Uh. Dude. It's an allegory. You're not asking the right questions. Rather than, "Why was the tree there to begin with you?" you ought to be asking, "What does the tree represent?"

The tree represented knowledge, which explains why Christians are against it.

Rather, it represented free will.

[ApeNotKillApe]

The tree represented knowledge, which explains why Christians are against it.

Rather, it represented free will.

How does one choose free will?

[Mudhammam]

Rather, it represented free will.

How does one choose free will?

There is a point in the human experience when the mind acquires a conscious awareness that the choices one makes carries or entails moral responsibility. That awareness has been equated with a freedom to will different acts that are conceived by the intellect to accord with or diverge from right reason. The prohibition to eat the fruit - symbolic for sensible pleasure - is allegorical with the moral conscience, and the choice to do or not to do so represents the free act of the will. The "knowledge of good and evil" is the responsibility, and in this case guilt, that one associates with right or wrong behavior. That's the point of the story. It's like the OP is asking, "Why did Cronus eat his children if he's a god and when there were livestock on the earth?"

[Silver]

Free will is always being capable of choosing between two obviously differentiating options.

Just because one does not believe that one option is viable does not mean the choice is not available. It is.

Choice is always available, and accepting that reality means being a part of reality.

[Mudhammam]

Free will is always being capable of choosing between two obviously differentiating options.

Just because one does not believe that one option is viable does not mean the choice is not available. It is.

Choice is always available, and accepting that reality means being a part of reality.

The story of the Garden represents, in my view, an understanding of freedom that places the blame on the man, the woman, and the serpent - but mostly the woman - but I would argue that ultimate responsibility has to be placed in god, or in realistic terms, the causes relevant to one's choice.

Of course, that's all besides the point of this thread.

[Godscreated]

That's a great point!

Anyone who believes that we came from a muddy soup (God taking Dirt, and turning it into a man) has no ground to stand on at all.  I couldn't agree more.

And to believe woman came from a rib?  That's not even possible.

OH SNAP!

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Nothings impossible with God.

GC

Can god make a rock he can’t lift?

 If He wanted to I guess He could, but then God doesn't deal with such childish notions. God cares for peoples eternal destination, it's why He made the decision to go to the cross for you, a worthy thing much heavier than a big ol' rock.

GC

[Godscreated]

Nothings impossible with God.

GC

So with God, it's then possible he's an evil dirtbag, and we should all worship Satan instead?

God want go against His perfect nature.

GC

[Godscreated]

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Well you brought a good verse, unfortunately for you it doesn't apply to Adam and Eve or any individual. Do you know what the 'it' is in the verse, I doubt you do or you wouldn't have brought this verse to the argument. This verse as the rest in chapter 18 were about Israel and the rights God has dealing with it. Israel was doing all sorts of evil against God, their disobedience against God included idol worship, sexual immorality, badly mistreating their fellow man, sacrificing to other gods and ect. God told them in this very chapter He would tear them down and then rebuild them. You've taken a verse that came thousands of years after Adam one meant for a evil nation and applied it to a situation that is not the same, here's why. When a child disobeys it's parent and that child doesn't understand what sin is God doesn't hold that against the child, Adam and Eve knew not evil so evil was not held against them, disobedience was. It was definitely a terrible case of disobedience because all of mankind suffers because of that act but, it was not evil, one has to know evil to commit evil, period. You failed to prove Adam committed evil, God never said Adam committed an evil act. The worse thing Adam did was to shun God's love and showed no respect for Him.
So take your checkmate and apply it to yourself or someone else.

GC

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What is being referred to by "it" is irrelevant to the point.  Observe that I can replace "it" with "Sponge Bob" and the point is not altered: "If Sponge Bob do evil in my sight, that he obey not my voice..."

See, the point is that the verse equates evil with disobedience.  Now please read my argument again.  Maybe try standing on a phone book thsi time so it doesn't go over your head.

You are very small minded aren't you, you can't even understand a point well spelled out to you. What the Israelites did then was worship gods that they knew did not exist, gods that had never done a thing for them. Your little attempt to keep your argument alive is nothing short of total ignorance of the Bible and what it teaches. You have failed to show that God said Adam was evil in what he did, even though it was the most tragic thing in human history, God did not hold him accountable for evil because he did not know what evil was until after his disobedience. Why don't you try to learn what the Bible actually says instead of making up junk.

GC