The main reason I'm an atheist

[Cephus]

The word "atheist" is just a tag for a person that does no believe in any deities. If Harry Potter fans are called Potterheads, and Twilight fans are called Twi-hards (last i checked), why isn't there a name for none fans?

Mostly because you don't need it.  Fans aren't trying to force their fandoms on people through social pressure and force of law.  If you don't like what they like, you just go on with your life and nobody looks down on you for it.  If fandoms acted like religions though, you'd better believe there would be an active term for "none of the above".

[LostLocke]

I found another contradiction in the bible:

"Mother's tired, she needs a rest, the kids are playing up downstairs."

"Nothing ever slows her down, and a mess is not allowed."

Woah!
+1 for the Madness reference. Loved that song... what was it? About 242 years ago!

[Time Traveler]

It depend on many factor such as the age of that matter such as the place where that matter is located and a myriad of other circumstances so your quick conclusion and judgement to such a complex issue is worth very very little.

You are the one that originally made the blanket statement, "where there is energy there is consciousness." Now, "it depend on many factor such as age of that matter such as the place where that matter is located...". Which is it? energy (absent matter) = consciousness, OR energy ("depend on many factor" including matter) = consciousness. If the latter, which factors exactly? What forms of energy exactly? What circumstances, exactly?

Consciousness is superior to matter therefore it can not be created by matter.

One empirical observation of consciousness without matter would suffice to make your point. I propose a test. Let's hollow out your head of all matter. Then, we will replace that area with whatever energy you believe lends itself to consciousness. If you can continue this conversation after that, I will concede the point. Deal?

[robvalue]

I found another contradiction in the bible:

"Mother's tired, she needs a rest, the kids are playing up downstairs."

"Nothing ever slows her down, and a mess is not allowed."

Woah!
+1 for the Madness reference. Loved that song... what was it? About 242 years ago!  

Cheers

Yeah! I love 80s music (when music was music and it had a tune and people could actually sing, new-fangled devilry grrrrmmmm). I got an album of it bought for me with this song on, which my anal-ytical side couldn't help examining. I've yet to receive an official response from Madness

[Little Rik]

It depend on many factor such as the age of that matter such as the place where that matter is located and a myriad of other circumstances so your quick conclusion and judgement to such a complex issue is worth very very little.

You are the one that originally made the blanket statement, "where there is energy there is consciousness." Now, "it depend on many factor such as age of that matter such as the place where that matter is located...". Which is it? energy (absent matter) = consciousness, OR energy ("depend on many factor" including matter) = consciousness. If the latter, which factors exactly? What forms of energy exactly? What circumstances, exactly?

Oh, boy!
What a confusion!
My reply to your previous question relate specifically to the time in which the consciousness emerge.
I thought you would understand that different types of energy-consciousness have different times of
expression as i explained to you.
According to my beliefs in yoga it all depend on the age so to speak.
Not all creation is made at the same time as religious people believe.
Creation goes on and on all the time.
Microvita is the smaller particle of creation and it create and maintain the whole universe.
The last stage of creation is matter.
(consciousness, mind, space, air, light, water, matter)
Sooner or later this matter which is made of latent consciousness and energy will have to awake from the latent stage in order to regain the lost original consciousness.
This is the time in which evolution start.
Through many changes this latent energy will gain more and more consciousness so the matter will change form (energy-consciousness change but they can not be destroyed) and turn into plants, animal life, human life and back to the originator of this creation.
Reincarnation and changes are therefore needed to make the evolution a reality.
Now the question about what trigger the start of evolution.
The trigger is the awake of the latent consciousness in the matter.
The longer the consciousness in the matter has been in the latent stage the sooner will be ready to awake and the less longer the consciousness has been created the longer will take to awake.
What it depend on many factor is not whether the consciousness is in the matter or not.
There can not be only energy or only consciousness.
This issue is out of the question.
What depend on many factors is when the consciousness awake and the evolution start.
I hope i clear your confusion.

http://www.microvita.com/intro/index.htm

Consciousness is superior to matter therefore it can not be created by matter.

One empirical observation of consciousness without matter would suffice to make your point. I propose a test. Let's hollow out your head of all matter. Then, we will replace that area with whatever energy you believe lends itself to consciousness. If you can continue this conversation after that, I will concede the point. Deal?

More confusion mate.
Without a parallelism between body-mind-consciousness there is only physical death.
It is obvious that if you destroy this parallelism you screw up the whole system.
Consciousness however never die as has been already proven by thousand of NDEs experiences
so once the body is screwed up the consciousness will have to move to a new medium in which can continue is journey towards the goal of life.  

[Angrboda]

The trigger is the awake of the latent consciousness in the matter.
The longer the consciousness in the matter has been in the latent stage the sooner will be ready to awake and the less longer the consciousness has been created the longer will take to awake.
What it depend on many factor is not whether the consciousness is in the matter or not.
There can not be only energy or only consciousness.
This issue is out of the question.
What depend on many factors is when the consciousness awake and the evolution start.
I hope i clear your confusion.

Clear as mud.

[Time Traveler]

You are the one that originally made the blanket statement, "where there is energy there is consciousness." Now, "it depend on many factor such as age of that matter such as the place where that matter is located...". Which is it? energy (absent matter) = consciousness, OR energy ("depend on many factor" including matter) = consciousness. If the latter, which factors exactly? What forms of energy exactly? What circumstances, exactly?

Oh, boy!
What a confusion!
My reply to your previous question relate specifically to the time in which the consciousness emerge.
I thought you would understand that different types of energy-consciousness have different times of
expression as i explained to you.
According to my beliefs in yoga it all depend on the age so to speak.
Not all creation is made at the same time as religious people believe.
Creation goes on and on all the time.
Microvita is the smaller particle of creation and it create and maintain the whole universe.
The last stage of creation is matter.
(consciousness, mind, space, air, light, water, matter)
Sooner or later this matter which is made of latent consciousness and energy will have to awake from the latent stage in order to regain the lost original consciousness.
This is the time in which evolution start.
Through many changes this latent energy will gain more and more consciousness so the matter will change form (energy-consciousness change but they can not be destroyed) and turn into plants, animal life, human life and back to the originator of this creation.
Reincarnation and changes are therefore needed to make the evolution a reality.
Now the question about what trigger the start of evolution.
The trigger is the awake of the latent consciousness in the matter.
The longer the consciousness in the matter has been in the latent stage the sooner will be ready to awake and the less longer the consciousness has been created the longer will take to awake.
What it depend on many factor is not whether the consciousness is in the matter or not.
There can not be only energy or only consciousness.
This issue is out of the question.
What depend on many factors is when the consciousness awake and the evolution start.
I hope i clear your confusion.

http://www.microvita.com/intro/index.htm

Consciousness is superior to matter therefore it can not be created by matter.

One empirical observation of consciousness without matter would suffice to make your point. I propose a test. Let's hollow out your head of all matter. Then, we will replace that area with whatever energy you believe lends itself to consciousness. If you can continue this conversation after that, I will concede the point. Deal?

More confusion mate.
Without a parallelism between body-mind-consciousness there is only physical death.
It is obvious that if you destroy this parallelism you screw up the whole system.
Consciousness however never die as has been already proven by thousand of NDEs experiences
so once the body is screwed up the consciousness will have to move to a new medium in which can continue is journey towards the goal of life.  

I think, at this point, I'll let your comments speak for themselves.

[Red_Wind]

Oh, boy!
What a confusion!
My reply to your previous question relate specifically to the time in which the consciousness emerge.
I thought you would understand that different types of energy-consciousness have different times of
expression as i explained to you.
According to my beliefs in yoga it all depend on the age so to speak.
Not all creation is made at the same time as religious people believe.
Creation goes on and on all the time.
Microvita is the smaller particle of creation and it create and maintain the whole universe.
The last stage of creation is matter.
(consciousness, mind, space, air, light, water, matter)
Sooner or later this matter which is made of latent consciousness and energy will have to awake from the latent stage in order to regain the lost original consciousness.
This is the time in which evolution start.
Through many changes this latent energy will gain more and more consciousness so the matter will change form (energy-consciousness change but they can not be destroyed) and turn into plants, animal life, human life and back to the originator of this creation.
Reincarnation and changes are therefore needed to make the evolution a reality.
Now the question about what trigger the start of evolution.
The trigger is the awake of the latent consciousness in the matter.
The longer the consciousness in the matter has been in the latent stage the sooner will be ready to awake and the less longer the consciousness has been created the longer will take to awake.
What it depend on many factor is not whether the consciousness is in the matter or not.
There can not be only energy or only consciousness.
This issue is out of the question.
What depend on many factors is when the consciousness awake and the evolution start.
I hope i clear your confusion.

http://www.microvita.com/intro/index.htm





More confusion mate.
Without a parallelism between body-mind-consciousness there is only physical death.
It is obvious that if you destroy this parallelism you screw up the whole system.
Consciousness however never die as has been already proven by thousand of NDEs experiences
so once the body is screwed up the consciousness will have to move to a new medium in which can continue is journey towards the goal of life.  

I think, at this point, I'll let your comments speak for themselves.

I'm not even sure if he's trolling or if he really believes that.

[Little Rik]

In this case let us summarize.
1) Atheists do not know what trigger the start of evolution.
2) Atheists do not know where evolution start (in matter, in plants, in animals ?).
3) Atheists do not know where evolution take you to.
4) Atheists do not know whether reincarnation is needed in order to progress
from lower species to higher one.
5) Atheists rely on Darwin guessing how evolution works but Darwin never
understand the points above.


In other words there is a total failure from top to bottom and yet you guys pretend to
judge how the whole system works.
Get real guys.      

[abaris]

I found another contradiction in the bible:

"Mother's tired, she needs a rest, the kids are playing up downstairs."

"Nothing ever slows her down, and a mess is not allowed."

Or this.

Kids are different today,"
I hear ev'ry mother say
Mother needs something today to calm her down
And though she's not really ill
There's a little yellow pill
She goes running for the shelter of a mother's little helper
And it helps her on her way, gets her through her busy day