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RE: What came first, the atheist or the theist?
July 23, 2010 at 6:36 pm
(July 23, 2010 at 6:31 pm)Godhead Wrote: I say that you have a belief system because I can see that you do. You clearly believe that you don't, so it's no good me explaining why you do. If you can't see it, you can't see it. But I can see that you do, it's very obvious indeed.
I'm reasonably certain that Ace is perfectly aware of what he does and does not believe in, more than you do. I'm certain you think he does, but "I don't want to explain it, but you most certainly do" or "I can't explain it, but you most certainly do" aren't actuctually explainations of any kind that say anything.
Just as with your beliefs in god, you've decided something is the way you said it is. Period.
Regardless of how much damning logic or evidence is mounted against it.
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RE: What came first, the atheist or the theist?
July 23, 2010 at 6:39 pm
(July 23, 2010 at 6:31 pm)Godhead Wrote: Ace -
I say that you have a belief system because I can see that you do. You clearly believe that you don't, so it's no good me explaining why you do. If you can't see it, you can't see it. But I can see that you do, it's very obvious indeed.
If it's so bloody obvious then why can't you explain it?
What beliefs do you think I have? Why can't you explain it? Can't you list anything?
What's stopping you?
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan
Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.
Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.
You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
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RE: What came first, the atheist or the theist?
July 23, 2010 at 6:56 pm
Ace -
No dice. It's not that I can't, it's that I don't want to. Please do not ask for clarification as refusal may offend.
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RE: What came first, the atheist or the theist?
July 23, 2010 at 7:02 pm
(July 23, 2010 at 6:56 pm)Godhead Wrote: Ace -
No dice. It's not that I can't, it's that I don't want to. Please do not ask for clarification as refusal may offend.
I'm not buying it. It's not that you won't, you can't!
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan
Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.
Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.
You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
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RE: What came first, the atheist or the theist?
July 23, 2010 at 7:06 pm
Ace -
No, it's because I don't want to.
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RE: What came first, the atheist or the theist?
July 23, 2010 at 7:07 pm
(This post was last modified: July 23, 2010 at 7:08 pm by Ace Otana.)
Quote:No, it's because I don't want to.
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RE: What came first, the atheist or the theist?
July 23, 2010 at 7:23 pm
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Quote:Man has been around an estimated 150,000 years The earliest known theism is only some 10,000 years old.
True enough, but I think possibly a bit misleading.My understanding is that shamanistic animism has been around for tens of thousands of years. That suggests people have been giving 'spiritual' explanations to confounding natural things and events for a very long time.Eg Australian aboriginal creation myths may be up to 50,000 years old.
Although Homo sapiens may have only been around for about 150 thousand years,sentient human beings may have been around for at least a million years. Homo erectus (up to1.8 million years) was using tools and fire
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RE: What came first, the atheist or the theist?
July 23, 2010 at 7:28 pm
What I disagree with is that man has been around for 150,000 years. Man has been around for millions of years.
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RE: What came first, the atheist or the theist?
July 23, 2010 at 8:06 pm
(July 23, 2010 at 7:28 pm)Godhead Wrote: What I disagree with is that man has been around for 150,000 years. Man has been around for millions of years.
Human beings are about 200,000 years old as a species (homo sapiens). Other Homo species have been around much longer, but they're currently extinct.
So.... no. We haven't been around for millions of years. Just about two hundred thousand.
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RE: What came first, the atheist or the theist?
July 23, 2010 at 8:21 pm
I meant modern humans.
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