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How hard do you have to pray....
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(April 2, 2016 at 7:36 am)Nymphadora Wrote:
(April 2, 2016 at 6:46 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I believe the verse says 'Ask and ye shall receive', but it doesn't say what ye shall receive.  My guess would be a big old box of disappointment.

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Lmao, that's what I did the moment I read the quote.
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(April 2, 2016 at 10:25 am)MysticKnight Wrote: *smiles*

Does this have anything to do with what I said?

I think part of praying to God is accepting his design in the universe and the way she acts.

Of course, Mary (Mariam), for example, received food directly from God. We all have to get food from the market.  To say well Mariam got food from God so I'm going to just pray and wait to get food is making a mockery of God in my view.

I believe there is for example many conditions in which God will not guide people no matter how much they pray for guidance. 

Another example is the phrase in Quran, Noah telling his people, if they ask forgiveness from God, God will increase their (will) power upon their power....

We can't just say the words and hope for a response. We truly have to be sorry and ask forgiveness believing God will forgive,  then she will increase power upon our power. 

As for God being a female, see the response in the other thread. Smile

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(August 21, 2017 at 11:31 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: "I'm not a troll"
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There is saying attributed to the Prophet that he said "the example of the one who prays without action, is like shooting a bow without any arrow"

That said people can say prayer has placebo effect. Or people can believe it does actually help. Experimental data won't be able to determine if it's placebo or does actually help.
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(April 2, 2016 at 11:59 am)MrNoMorePropaganda Wrote: You can pray as little or as much as you want and it won't make a difference. It's down to Allah. If Allah wants to make you strong, you do not need to pray even once.

Quran 3:26 "Say: "O Allah! Lord of Power (And Rule), Thou givest power to whom Thou pleasest, and Thou strippest off power from whom Thou pleasest: Thou enduest with honour whom Thou pleasest, and Thou bringest low whom Thou pleasest: In Thy hand is all good. Verily, over all things Thou hast power."

That verse refers to "power" as in "authority", the word used is mulk which can be translated as kingdom as well. Not that I disagree that God can take power in the other sense from who he wants and give to he wants, but just wanted to correct you on that. 

Power can sometimes refer to authority so maybe that is why they translated there as that?
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(April 2, 2016 at 12:59 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: There is saying attributed to the Prophet that he said "the example of the one who prays without action, is like shooting a bow without any arrow"

That said people can say prayer has placebo effect. Or people can believe it does actually help. Experimental data won't be able to determine if it's placebo or does actually help.

But if you say a prayer with action, doesn't that mean your faith is weak??

You're asking God for something and then doing it yourself, almost as if you know he's incapable of actually helping you.
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(April 2, 2016 at 1:04 pm)Losty Wrote:
(April 2, 2016 at 12:59 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: There is saying attributed to the Prophet that he said "the example of the one who prays without action, is like shooting a bow without any arrow"

That said people can say prayer has placebo effect. Or people can believe it does actually help. Experimental data won't be able to determine if it's placebo or does actually help.

But if you say a prayer with action, doesn't that mean your faith is weak??

You're asking God for something and then doing it yourself, almost as if you know he's incapable of actually helping you.

No I don't think so. It just means as far as this issue is concerned you are not making assumptions about God and prayer in an illogical way.

That said personally whenever I get hallucinations, I say "by the name of God..." and they go away. Also, any supernatural metaphysical feeling type of attacks from spirits, or if feel dark spirits presence, I recite Suratal Falaq ( a very short Surah) and the attacks go away.

Of course, I'm not even certain if it's my illness or a combination of my illness with unseen forces, but suratal Falaq covers all evil he has created including the evil of my own mental illness that I am afflicted with.

I use prayers all the time to cope with my illness.
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Yea, all I see is illness. If you use prayer to deal with it...that's awesome.

For a long time every time I started to have a(an?) hallucination, I would say "I'm right here, there's snow outside my window" and they would go away, true story. If whatever works works, then definitely go with it.

I just think that if prayer never ever works on its own for anything tangible, that probably means prayer never works at all. Prayer works in the way that sugar pills cure headaches.
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(April 2, 2016 at 12:59 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: There is saying attributed to the Prophet that he said "the example of the one who prays without action, is like shooting a bow without any arrow"

That said people can say prayer has placebo effect. Or people can believe it does actually help. Experimental data won't be able to determine if it's placebo or does actually help.

There's a saying.  Shit in one hand, pray in the other...see which fills up first.
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(April 2, 2016 at 11:21 am)robvalue Wrote: Yeah, as long as your prayer ritual is as strenuous as a workout at the gym, it's pretty likely to work.

Ever seen devout muslims pray?  Up and down and up and down and up and down.  Five times a day too.  Grass drills with a yoga mat.
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(April 2, 2016 at 1:20 pm)Losty Wrote: Yea, all I see is illness. If you use prayer to deal with it...that's awesome.

For a long time every time I started to have a(an?) hallucination, I would say "I'm right here, there's snow outside my window" and they would go away, true story. If whatever works works, then definitely go with it.

I just think that if prayer never ever works on its own for anything tangible, that probably means prayer never works at all. Prayer works in the way that sugar pills cure headaches.

I understand this perspective and I respect it. The first thing Quran emphasizes on in the 2nd chapter of Quran which is after the prayer of Suratal Fatiha regarding the trait of those who guard (al-mutaqeen), is they believe in the unseen.

The thing is the path to God is unseen, you can say for example, when you do evil, nothing happens to you but psychological guilt. Islamically however there is a real darkness that appears in your soul, and if that darkness leads to more darkness, till the darkness overcomes your soul, then your heart maybe become sealed and destined for evil, with a very slight chance of redemption and overcoming the darkness.

The thing is these things from an Islamic point of view are realities. When you do an action, it becomes part of you. Also when you pray to God for help, he assists with help, but we have to also accept and take the help. Also when we ask forgiveness, there is "awf" and "istighfar"...the latter in the word can also mean seeking protection, and combined with forgiveness type meaning, it can have a double meaning of seeking protection from the dark effects of your through God forgiving your sins or God pardoning your sins by protecting you against it's evils and wiping it clean.

There is a divine sword in the soul, and it's sincere honesty, if one is true to themselves and true to God, then God will do wonders through them through his name. Sometimes they are veiled from what is occurring in the unseen reality of their souls and the spiritual world, and sometimes they are unveiled.

Rationally you can say this all in your heads. But for people who believe actions become part of who they are, and no can get rid of the darkness of their sins or the ugly satanic fruits of sins, but God, then they will seek both his pardon and seek his help.

For people who believe it's not just psychological, but there is an unseen spiritual world which where our true nature of our existence resides, even if they are good, will seek more higher states through his blessings. And God blessing and making the soul inherit beauty and honor, and lifting the pure word towards himself through actions he inspires through his help, to me is a reality.

The nature of how God operates, that he intervenes between man and his heart, to me is a reality.

I don't go asking God for miracles or to change the way he operates in the universe for my sake. 

If I was a chosen one, or was of a high status, I might have been given power to do things through God's Name like move mountains and what not, but those type of miracles require permission from God and he doesn't entrust such abilities to those who would use it from their own whims.
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